Yea, must be nice to be a snitch, eh? How these people can sleep at night is beyond me!
Posted on 01/20/2007 1:19:51 PM PST by sh0tgun willie
Jane Gravelle: After the Clinton administration proposed a fairly substantial increase in the cigarette tax as a way of funding health care reform, my colleague Dennis Zimmerman and I wrote a paper entitled "Cigarette Taxes to Fund Health Care Reform and Economic Analysis."* The part of the paper I'd like to talk about is the justifications for increasing the cigarette tax. I'm an economist, so I start with the presumptions that people have subjective preferences about what they like to do and how they spend their money and that, in general, we want to allow people to enjoy their lifetime resources in accord with those preferences. We would intervene in those decisions only under certain kinds of circumstances that we try to delineate and measure.
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While I appreciate your solidarity support of those you know who work in or own businesses, I do not appreciate your continued support of the denigration of those who choose to engage in the use of tobacco products.
Your NO vote on the ballot was purely for selfish reasons, because of support of friends, not because you believed the ballot issue was just plain wrong.
Interestingly enough the supporters of the smoking ban in Delaware claim bar business is better than ever, yet I know a hell of a lot of bartenders and wait staff that lost their jobs because the places they used to work in are now condos or convenience stores.
If business remains good and most are smokefree in Austin, you have given the proof that bans are totally unnecessary, the market will prevail.
"I predict that within two years there will be a movement to include smokers as a class in the American with Disabilities Act.
I would not be surprised if that movement takes root right here on FR."
And you, as many others would be wrong. Smokers want no special rights, just the rights that cover all men. Nanny staters are narrow minded idiots that trample on others rights to do "the right thing". They are no different the liberals. Ask a liberal or nanny stater and they'll likely tell you, "well I feel such and such" about a law. FEEL! They don't think, they feel, that's their problem. Nanny staters want the state to take care of them, hold their hands and coddle them. They are NOT conservatives. I say all this as a non-smoker and non-drinker, I do eat trans fats though, that upset you diaper wearing whining nanny staters? Come get me.
I agree. The "so-called conservatives" that think they know what is right and the same so-called conservatives that believe they know best how to spend the federal government tax revenues. No compromise--they know best.
When all else fails, bring out the race card. Do you realize just how pathetic that is?
Is a dress code for an establishment a violation of the Civil Rights Act? Or the prohibition of entrance due to a certain hair style a violation of that Act?
If I found you or some other demented tobacco junky from an online forum on my front stoop, I'm afraid you'd be the one calling the police.
I have no idea if your statistics are true, but I can't help but be concerned about someone so caught up in mortality rates. One would think you didn't have much of a life.
If the fatality rate is one tenth what it was in 1945, could it have more to do with highway design and engineering, and American doctors being the best trauma doctors in the world, ect., etc? Statistics are often short sighted not to mention the refuge of the government. Sort of like polls.
Awwwww...yes. Except I didn't bring up "the race card." Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 directly targets "public accommodations," a category that includes bars, restaurants, hotels and motels. Do you agree with the Civil Rights Act? It sounds like you don't.
Thank goodness for small favors. I hope you extend the same favor to all the home and business owners I know who hold the same position I do, including many non-smokers.
Those No Smoking signs are all over Lima, including the retail and grocery stores, as well as other places people don't normally smoke. I laughed tonight when I noticed people smoking in the parking lot, and snuffing their cigs out on the ground...since there aren't any ashtrays.
His stats aren't true, just more troll numbers.
The lie, the d*** lie, and statistics.
Here a statistic for you.
Obesity is increasing at an alarming rate.
However, life expectancy is increasing at a great rate.
Ergo, obesity increases the life span.
Most people who die have eaten a carrot at some point in time?
Pretty scary, huh?
You won't get an arguement from me about the attitude and that it needs to be wiped out.
Funny stuff from a gutless, half wit troll. I'll take my chances, how about you?
Ohio went totally smoke free and now I will not go out and spend $50-60 for dinner and a few drinks and not be allowed to have a after dinner smoke. It's a shame for the business owners, it's not their fault. I just don't see why I should go out and spend money on a non enjoyable evening. I'm furious and am in the process of moving to S.C. where I haven't found any smoking nazi's yet.(Not the reason I'm moving, the reason being Ohio is an armpit and with this latest fiasco, I really don't want to support this stupid state anymore. Only the poorest city in the nation (Cleveland) can also ban more things to further depress our economy. What a bunch of fools.
They are. They're based on NHTSA and FHWA data.
If the fatality rate is one tenth what it was in 1945, could it have more to do with highway design and engineering, and American doctors being the best trauma doctors in the world, ect., etc?
No, because the total number of accidents, as a percentage of vehicle-miles driven, has actually INCREASED since 1945 whereas the number of serious injuries requiring a visit to the emergency room (again as defined as a percentage of vehicle-miles driven) has sharply decreased. That differential can only be attributed to safer cars.
"His stats aren't true. Just more troll numbers."
LOL. Frightened little guy, too, isn't he?
Yea, must be nice to be a snitch, eh? How these people can sleep at night is beyond me!
That's just stupid. But it also somehow misses the point -- that you just posted a baldfaced lie (you said cars kill more people than smoking), hoped you'd get away with it (you didn't), and now are feckless enough to try to change the subject. You're a sorry case.
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