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Giuliani's Abortion Record Should Hearten Pro-Lifers
Human Events ^ | 1/18/20007 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 01/18/2007 9:27:26 AM PST by Dark Skies

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To: Hildy

President Bush, put in place the Mexico City Policy (which bans govt funds to promote abortion overseas), the abortion ban at military hospitals, the partial-birth abortion ban, and reaffirmed the Hyde Amendement (which bars the use of medicaid funds for abortions).

The real reason why abortion rates declined was not anything Clinton did. It was due to extensive grass root lobbying by Right to Life groups to pass Parental Consent, 24 waiting laws, barring tax funded abortions and other restrictions on the state level. When these restrictions are enforced, the abortion rate decreases.

After if these restrictions are so minor, then why would pro-abort groups spend millions to shoot down the parental notification ballot in CA last year?


61 posted on 01/18/2007 9:54:03 AM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: PhiKapMom

Rudy has more in common with Barney Frank than he does Duncan Hunter.


62 posted on 01/18/2007 9:54:37 AM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: dirtboy

Lets not forget that he thinks Ruth Bader Ginsburg is an outstanding Supreme Court Justice or that he forced draconian asset forfeiture laws on New Yorkers.


63 posted on 01/18/2007 9:55:29 AM PST by FreeInWV
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To: Dark Skies

i AM FOR LIFE BUT I AM AGAINST GOVERNMENT BEING THE ARBITRATOR OF WHETHER IT SHOULD EXIST.


64 posted on 01/18/2007 9:55:52 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal (q)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I know. I was just teasing you. I like Hunter but I don't know if he can create enough momentum. I'm pro-Rudy only because I believe the war is the biggest issue in this campaign and, having watched Rudy up close in NYC for his entire career, I believe he can best lead us in it.

I could be wrong, but I think the 2008 campaign is going to sort it all out. If Rudy (or Hunter for that matter) can withstand the slings and arrows of this campaign, he's the man.

65 posted on 01/18/2007 9:56:09 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: zarf

Dear zarf,

"Neither radical side of this issue wants Roe overturned."

Oh, I don't know about that.

Most folks consider me pretty radical on the issue of abortion. My goal is ultimately to pass an amendment to the Constitution that recognizes the humanity and personhood of all human beings from conception to natural death, and requires the federal government and every state to pass laws protecting the right to life of these.

I know that once Roe was overturned, we wouldn't immediately get all we want. I've said before that overturning Roe is just the beginning of the battle.

However, I know that abortion would be modestly restricted in most states, and severely restricted in many.

It'd be a good start.


sitetest


66 posted on 01/18/2007 9:56:37 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Dark Skies

Probably going to take a beating for this, but it's the combination of his social positions (pro-choice, anti-gun) that does me in on him. I like him on defense but the life AND second amendment issues say no.


67 posted on 01/18/2007 9:56:44 AM PST by trimom
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To: dmz

Dear dmz,

I've seen polls that show this from time to time over the years.

In the past, I've even dug 'em up on-line and posted links.

However, I find this crapulent propagandistic filth oozing out from Mr. Giuliani's rear end so positively disgusting that I'm inclined to tell all his backers, do your own homework.


sitetest


68 posted on 01/18/2007 9:57:04 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

LOL!


69 posted on 01/18/2007 9:57:28 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: R.W.Ratikal
i AM FOR LIFE BUT I AM AGAINST GOVERNMENT BEING THE ARBITRATOR OF WHETHER IT SHOULD EXIST.

So you are against the government protecting human life?

70 posted on 01/18/2007 9:57:41 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: trumandogz

One selling point Obama can make is that while he votes for the socialist agenda, he lives a socially conservative life unlike Republican candidates.


71 posted on 01/18/2007 9:58:46 AM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: Dark Skies
I'm pro-Rudy only because I believe the war is the biggest issue in this campaign and, having watched Rudy up close in NYC for his entire career, I believe he can best lead us in it.

Every GOP candidate except for Ron Paul (and Hagel if he jumps in) is pro-Iraq-war and pro-military. I really don't see the Iraq War as a defining issue in the primaries unless a candidate emerges who is against it and has a chance to win.

Which leaves the other key issues for the base to chew on during the primaries. Abortion. Guns. What to do about illegal immigration. And quite frankly, Rudy is one of the two weakest candidates in those departments (McVain is the other).

And I also really don't see where being mayor of NY is a qualification to be CinC during wartime. Rudy did quite well in the aftermath of 9-11, but responding to a terrorist event is much different than commanding the military and the national security apparatus to try and prevent one.

72 posted on 01/18/2007 10:00:43 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - a candidate who doesn't need infomercials to convince you he's a conservative)
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To: Dark Skies

Look, if Giuliani is pro-choice, then he's pro-choice, and the primary voters will have to decide whether that is an important issue to them or not. But this article is a real stretch to put it politely, unless you want to call Bill Clinton pro-life because the national abortion rate declined while he was in office.


73 posted on 01/18/2007 10:01:10 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: trimom
Probably going to take a beating for this, but it's the combination of his social positions (pro-choice, anti-gun) that does me in on him.

No beating from me. I am amazed at the threads mentality that most of us are to give up our core values and support someone dynamically opposed to them just because of a R after his name. Incidentally the first lawsuit against the gun manufacturers was started by Julie Annie no less.

Just say no to Julie Annie!

74 posted on 01/18/2007 10:01:52 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Dark Skies
“I don’t like abortion,” Giuliani said in South Carolina’s The State newspaper last November 21. “I don’t think abortion is a good thing. I think we ought to find some alternative to abortion, and that there ought to be as few as possible.”

I wouldn't vote for Mario Cuomo, and I won't vote for this charlatan. I'm insulted that he thinks this cowardly position will win him pro-life votes.

There are pro-life alternatives to Rudy. My favorite one is:





Duncan Hunter on the Issues

Freepmail me to join the Duncan Hunter Pinglist

Contribute to Duncan Hunter's Presidential Campaign
75 posted on 01/18/2007 10:03:08 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: sitetest
How's that go over with you, fellow social conservatives and pro-lifers?

Very, very badly. This guy is an Emily's List candidate. That he's even being considered for the GOP nomination is scary--and perhaps a harbinger of the party's demise.

Slavery did in the Whigs. Will the abandonment of issues important to social conservatives doom the GOP?
76 posted on 01/18/2007 10:05:16 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: ml/nj

An interesting way to put it! I like it!


77 posted on 01/18/2007 10:06:43 AM PST by JimFreedom (Common Sense Conservative - Too)
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To: Dark Skies

Glad I don't waste my $ purchasing HUMAN EVENTS anymore. It looks like they have gone the way of the Republican party...down the drain and with good reason.


78 posted on 01/18/2007 10:08:55 AM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Don't bother with bandwagons and bogeymen. If that's all you have, I'm not interested.

Worth repeating. Generally speaking, that's all the Rudy McRomney boosters have to offer--a liberal candidate pretending to be a conservative. But, they assure us--"he's a winner!" And further more, if we don't vote for him, we might "lose".

In my opinion, if Rudy Giuliani gets the nomination for the GOP, conservatives have already lost.
79 posted on 01/18/2007 10:09:09 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: zarf
"Most Americans, including Republicans, are pro-choice."
wow, thats a heck of an assumption!! I wonder "how" pro their choice is by your standards? right up to the baby's head being sucked out and deflated? cause, heck, thats legal!! Sure, most americans must be for that, cause there is a law defending it and all! [/sarc]

"Rudy's on the right track."
frightening to think because this would put America squarely on the wrong path. simple mouth service in the defense of unborn americans is all that's needed to still be considered 'conservative'..

its comical how much he sounds like hilary...

80 posted on 01/18/2007 10:10:58 AM PST by xhrist ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. " - C.S. Lewis)
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