Posted on 01/15/2007 2:37:16 PM PST by Enterprise
KIRKWOOD, Mo. (AP) - While his alleged kidnapper was away at work, teenager Shawn Hornbeck apparently had access to a computer, and may have put photos of himself online and posted a chilling message on a site created by his own desperate parents: "How long are you planning to look for your son?"
A series of Web postings under the name "Shawn Devlin" - Devlin is the last name of the man suspected of kidnapping Shawn and posing as his father - came to light after Shawn's rescue from an apartment in Kirkwood last week.
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exactly, we should all learn from Steven Staynor how children become attached to their captor's even when they hated them, and Steven hated Parnell.
It was only when Parnell took another child that Steven decided he wasn't going to let another child go through what he did and he saved that boy!
Timmy White spent two weeks with Parnell and Steven waited for the perfect time to get Timmy out of there.
I have a feeling that Shawn likely would have done something similar if the cops hadn't gotten to him and Ben first.
Another thing I observed on Fox News today was the repeated airing of the teen fights being put on the internet. Does the media (including Fox) really care that these teenagers are creating fights to post on the internet or do the media want someone to control the internet? The parents of the girl being beaten up were not going to press charges. That is where the crime is--so I have to ask what was newsworthy.
Two different thoughts, I know.
You are free to call me a monster if you so choose. I hope it makes you feel better. As an abused child myself, I would pose to you that unless you are speaking from personal experience, your namecalling is most definitely unfounded.
I know exactly what it is like to be sexually abused as a young child, I also know exactly what it is like to have someone hold that over your head. I know what it is like to take whipping after whipping to insure I wouldn't tell. Can you say the same?
If you cannot, then ask yourself who the monster really is. I most certainly never attacked you, but you most certainly attacked someone that has walked in somewhat similar shoes. Who is attacking a victim again? Check yourself friend.
Try as you might you cannot keep this framed as an 11 year old boy. It is bigger than that. You are trying to ignore 4 years. A 15 year old boy is to be considered an invalid incapable of his own thought or control of his own actions? He forgot his parents? Didn't realize? At some point you have to agree that he made his own choices, for whatever reasons, and that he is responsible for them to some degree.
Amen to that.
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Well when presented as "I think" and 'it's possible' I was not presenting them as facts now was I? I was also answering a question wasn't I? I should not have done so? Is that it?
Here is a fact for ya, the boy was 15, had full knowledge of his parents existence and stayed away. That my friend, factually speaking, is a choice. A poor one? Yes. An influenced one? Sure I will agree to that. But it was his choice none the less.
Conservatives do believe in accountability for one's choices right? Or is that only sometimes?
Oh my gosh, this child responsible for his actions? He would never have made any decisions, bad or good if that monster hadn't kidnaped him so the only one to blame is the sick twisted freak Devlin!
If you were so molested and abused as you say you'd know would sympathize with Shawn, not put blame on him.
You need help!
I didn't really think those boys needed to be in front of cameras right away. Almost seemed like added insult to injury.
Okay, I'm outa here. 24 coming up. :)
Have you ever been an 11- to 14-year-old abducted by a stranger, then beaten regularly, told your parents don't love you or want you, raped repeatedly, told you are a pos, etc., etc.? No? Then of course you wouldn't understand.
Was he tied up at 15? No, he wasn't. How that can be just dismissed is beyond me. Maybe you can help me out on that note. Why is a piece of truthful information simply dismissed as if it never happened? Could it be that is because that piece of informtion complicates things?
Could it be that people would have to look at what first appeared to be a helpless victim, who at the begining was a helpless victim, that had become something more than just that?
I am not saying and have not said this boy, or Elizabeth Smart for that matter, were not victims. I agree they were, but I also believe they bear their own bit of responsibility. 15 year olds are more capable than many give them credit for or agree to hold them accountable for.
I really wasn't going to reply or engage with you. but.......
DING DONG --- abducted children are routinely told after they're forced to feel shamed by vile sexual acts perfromed on them and to them, --- that their parents have no use for them, that the abductor will kill their parents if they do not comply or obey every damn demand of their abductor.
You really need to stop trying to blame the victims.
Research Stockholm Syndrome and then apply what you've learned to a child. Abducted children are severely abused and they're scared to death. Their only link to life is the damn predator/abductor.
""Have you ever been an 11- to 14-year-old abducted by a stranger, then beaten regularly, told your parents don't love you or want you, raped repeatedly, told you are a pos, etc., etc.? ""
Please post the links to these facts and stories.
Ok you speak of fault, that goes to blame. Will you go so far as to say no one but the perv holds any responsibility for anything?
Isn't that like saying a woman that goes to bar, gets drunk, goes home with a strange man and ends up being raped bears no responsibility whatsoever.
Agreed she is not to blame for being raped, that is all on the perv that did such a thing, but will you tell me honestly that she bears no personal responsibility for her own actions of getting drunk and going home with a strange man?
One person's personal responsibility does not absolve another of their own. That is why blame is something different than responsibility.
Well the kidnapper had tons of kiddie porn on his computer you can check out the link on drudge
Sure. And unicorns make rainbows with their wings.
Sorry, but it seems a lot of freepers on these threads seem to be unwilling to accept the truth of what happened. A perv kidnapped two boys and held them against their will for his perv purposes. What's so hard to believe about that?
On Drudge & MSNBC Home page they are articles stateing neighbors heard screams , whimpering & banging noises . They called the Kirkland cops about the noises too ! I believe it was the day after Ben was taking the call was made to the cops !
These facts have been in numerous news articles since the boys were found. I'm not going to spend time putting together links for you. I have found all kinds of info and links about this story here at FR.
In his case, as was said at the first presser, they left it up to the boy.
The point I was trying to make is that the media does exploit this heartstring to create drama that keeps people watching. If anything is worth watching it is the search for a missing child. Maybe somone watching might be able to help. That would be a good thing.
When people do watch, some need their own sense of closure because they do become attached over time. Without that, the feeling of being left hanging is unavoidable. Next time a story comes up a person may just turn it off, they do not want go go thru that attachment again only to be left wondering. What if that was the person that had seen the trailor hitch or the white truck? See what I mean?
With the fights, what I think is newsworthy is that assualt, even mob action assault, is trending toward entertainment. Not even something to prosecute. SO much for the rule of law. Example after example where law is not enforced, I would say that the softening of our country on the fabric level is quite newsworthy.
Elimination of personal responsibility is where that trend started. Leftist zealots making excuses for why someone did something instead of just looking at what was done and seeing it for what it is. Assigning personal responsibility to each who own it and using that information to assign guilt (read:blame) in order to impose proper punishment.
Have you ever heard of Steven Stayner? He was abducted at age 7 in 1972 by Kenneth Parnell, and was with Parnell for 8 years. He was sexually abused almost immediately after his kidnapping. Parnell introduced him as his son, "Dennis". Apparently, Steven had made friends with others also, but lied to keep up appearances in the hope that Parnell would leave him alone. After Parnell abducted another child, Timmy White, Stayner got up the courage to escape with Timmy while Parnell was at work. So how long do you think the shelf-life of fear is? Won't it be different for everyone, especially given each one's particular circumstances?
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