Bering land bridge theory disputed

Express-News ^ | 12 Jan 2007 | Melissa Ludwig

[FLOutdoorsman]

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Pre Clovis story for file

[gardengirl]

I grew up on a farm in lower Ohio. We had several creeks on the property, most with layers of smooth rock for the beds. In those beds, in the different layers, were vast amounts of footprints. Everything from tractor-looking dinosaur tracks to every imaginable animal to human footprints, clearly delineated. I spent many a day walking in those footprints, wondering where those long gone peoples were traveling to or from. Not only that, there were dog and horse tracks right along side the human prints. I didn't find out til much later that there weren't any horses in the new world when people were there. Being a farm kid, I knew and could identify most tracks. Guess the scientists were much smarter than a dumb farm kid! :) I figured out-all by myself-that rock either formed much faster than I'd been told, or the scientist-who-knew-everything didn't know as much as they thought!

[Vaquero]

the Indians killed off the original horses(yum)....the spanish reintroduced them.

[Robert A Cook PE]

I don't see what the 'emotional" fervor is about.

They're never really established any evidence for anything older than 12,000 years old - this only debates whether relatively close to Clovis were 13,000 - 13,500 or 14,000 years old.

The entire continent was crossed east-west regularly by families on foot in 9 months. Pretending that families (equally on foot!) could NOT cross equally hard terrain going north-south (only three times as far, with the weather getting better the farther south they go!) in 1000, 2000, or 3000 years is foolish.

[mtbopfuyn]

Interesting info on the Gault site - http://www.utexas.edu/research/tarl/research/gault_links.php

[gardengirl]

Being a bright, inquisitive and sometimes sarcastic kid- I once asked a teacher why there were footprints in rock, clearly human, if there weren't any people here until 15000 years ago.
"There can't be."
OK. Well how long does it take rock to form?
"Milions of years."
Well, what about the footprints?
"There aren't any."
OK. How did the footprints get there?
"THERE ARE NO FOOTPRINTS!!!"
OK. I went back to the creek after school and happily played in my non existent footprints in rock. I decided real early that teachers didn't know half as much as they thoguht they did, and scientists knew less than that. If something didn't fit their theory, why then, it simply didn't exist! I still laugh about that and I've taught my kids to never take anything at face value. Question, question, question! And keep your eyes open!

[SunkenCiv]

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[Leatherneck_MT]

"I figured out-all by myself-that rock either formed much faster than I'd been told, or the scientist-who-knew-everything didn't know as much as they thought!"

How dare you question the all knowing all powerful Wizard of .. err Scientists!! ;)

[stockpirate]

There ar actually finds in the 50k years old area in N AMerica, and there are several threads on FR re: that issue.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Rock certainly doesn't take millions of years to form: But, certain types of rock (in certain layered depths) are definitely millions (billions!) of years old.

Volcanic ash, for example, could take form in only days (long enough for it to cool - get walked across, then get covered by a second layer of ash or dirt. Even the African footprints of recent fame are very recent geologically.

Forming others, like limestone from sediment layers under the sea? Sure. Takes along time. But then again, last I noticed, people then weren't walking under the sea.

[Red Badger]

More "Good News" for the Mormons!..........

[Red Badger]

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/11/30_fp.shtml

[gardengirl]

We also had a huge sandstone boulder in a pasture at the top of a hill. Nothing remarkable about a big rock- except that this one was composed entirely of small marine animal shells. We called it the cheerio rock because that's what they looked like. I might have been a dumb farm kid, but I was smart enough to know there weren't any oceans close by and nobody was dumb enough to cart that boulder from the nearest salt water to it's current position!

[Grizzled Bear]

How dare you question the great and terrible state-school! Do pay attention to the politicians behind the curtain...

[uscabjd]

Any idea of the age of the human footprints?

[Eternal_Bear]

Hopis say they came by boat but others came from the Bering Land bridge.

[pabianice]

Anthropology has, since the 1970s, been taken-over by the Left, which has basically screwed the science all up. Ten years after I received my BA in Anthropology, my school's Anthro Dept. was captured by radical feminists who officially renamed it The Department of Feminist Anthroplogy, hired mentally disturbed, man-hating idealogues, and ruined the department for the next 20 years. In the past ten years there have been attempts to salvage the department and the discipline with mixed results. Anthropology, like its sister Sociology, has lost almost 40 years in the lunatic left wilderness.

[LiteKeeper]

YEC INTREP

[relictele]

the Indians killed off the original horses(yum)

Impossible. Everyone knows that the Indians were the perfect noble savages and selfless stewards of all wildlife and the environment. Overhunting and gluttony would never occur to them. /sarc