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To: ctdonath2
"PLUS every able-bodied male aged 17-45."

True. But they form the unorganized militia.

The second amendment only protects a "well-regulated" militia. Unorganized hardly qualifies.

194 posted on 01/10/2007 5:35:08 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
The second amendment only protects a "well-regulated" militia. Unorganized hardly qualifies.

I see you've returned to push your anti-gun agenda. The right to keep and bear arms existed before the Constitution. The 2nd amendment says "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". The lead-in about "A well regulated militia militia being necessary to a free state" is no restriction on the issue of being able to keep and bear. It is a description of why it is desirable. Well regulated refers to individuals who gather and practice on a regular basis. It has nothing to do with "regulation" as a form of laws created by government to restrict and control activities.

The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to restrict the government from infringing upon the rights of individual citizens. The government already has a list of enumerated powers that includes the power to raise an army. The government doesn't need the second amendment to craft or define an militia.

198 posted on 01/10/2007 5:52:13 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: robertpaulsen
"The second amendment only protects a "well-regulated" militia. Unorganized hardly qualifies."

Then of course, for your reasoning to be consistent, you must accept this poison: - The unorganized militia is not, and is inferior to, the "people" of the First Amendment.

or the right of the PEOPLE peaceably to assemble....

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

210 posted on 01/10/2007 6:17:10 PM PST by labette (Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made ...)
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To: robertpaulsen

Use of the phrase "well regulated" at different times, some here close to "constitutional" times. Note that in 1812, it referred to "accuracy"!

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."


247 posted on 01/10/2007 8:40:03 PM PST by DBrow
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To: robertpaulsen

"The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it."


249 posted on 01/10/2007 8:41:34 PM PST by DBrow
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To: robertpaulsen

"well-regulated" does not mean an organized militia or a standing army.


348 posted on 01/11/2007 9:23:11 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: robertpaulsen

The "unorganized" militia is clearly defined by Congress, right down to a list of exemptions. The 2nd Amendment ensures that those not formally part of the Army etc. (which the National Guard is) can also be armed & trained by themselves or sub-federal jurisdictions.

"Well-regulated" was not, at time of writing, limited to "government controlled". It included being equipped and competent, which a militia member can be without gov't help.

The 2nd Amendment exists precisely for situations like we have now, where the Army etc. is well-endowed, and the rest of us militia members (despite being "unorganized", we are nonetheless declared so by Congress and presumed so by the Founding Fathers) are completely neglected insofar as equipping and training - ergo it's up to us to equip & train.

The enumerated right does not go away simply because the gov't does nothing to actively support it.


363 posted on 01/11/2007 10:50:27 AM PST by ctdonath2
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