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Guardsmen overrun at the Border
1/4/07

Posted on 01/04/2007 7:10:30 PM PST by Number57

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; nationalguard
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Act of War?

No...ACT OF WAR. WTH is Bush? What a waste of a vote.


141 posted on 01/05/2007 10:25:04 AM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: Founding Father; milford421; Calpernia; DAVEY CROCKETT; LucyT; Pepper777

Ping.


142 posted on 01/05/2007 10:26:32 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (2007 shall be known as the final year to feel freedom in America, unless you fight the takeover ....)
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To: Wolfstar; raybbr
6. Down to reality: The mean, ugly, downright stupid behavior of people like you has alienated not only those who are on the opposite side of you politically; not only independents who potentially are open to any of several solutions; but large numbers of us who are your natural political allies.

Yeppers, Wolfstar said it in a nutshell in #6 here.

143 posted on 01/05/2007 10:33:30 AM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: Wolfstar
Your type's bullying tactics don't scare me, so bring it on.

The very day enough Americans can be awakened to the coming problem, your wish will be cheerfully granted. That is a promise and nothing else.

144 posted on 01/05/2007 10:40:25 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: driftdiver

This is one of my fears about the highway they want to build from Mexico to Canada, coming through Nuevo Laredo, I shudder to think about this.


145 posted on 01/05/2007 10:57:05 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: satan
There is a lot of conjecture on this thread

Yes there is. Interesting that you have the real information trail already to go. Not gonna ask where you work....

The NG did call for assistance. The Border Patrol arrived and an SRT was deployed

Isn't it sort of comically pathetic that the poor, pitiful National Guard - an element of the United States Army - has to call for rescue from a police agency?

We all know that's because they have been legally hamstrung by the political stunt of putting them on their border with their hands tied.

I have been all over the desert just to the north of Sasabe. Not so long ago, things like this would have been unimaginable. Sure, there were smuggler incidents - but those were police actions, not much more. But slowly, over the years, the audacity on the part of the gangs (and that includes the gang known as "the Mexican Army") has been growing - in direct proportion to their perception of weakness in the U.S. government. And now we have things like this actually happening quite frequently. That shows the contempt for the forces of the U.S. to the South.

Interesting that you recommend a FOIA - that could take months for a release. By then, no one will remember the incident.

Which is pretty much what I think the administration wants to have happen.

If one of the Guardsmen had made the mistake of trying to defend himself, I'm sure they'll bring in Johnny Sutton to prosecute him.

146 posted on 01/05/2007 11:06:18 AM PST by Regulator
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To: driftdiver

Frankly putting Guards at the border that are forced to retreat because of ridiculous ROE is much worse than not having the Guards at the border at all. This just emboldens our enemies, who will consider this an outright victory.


147 posted on 01/05/2007 11:34:12 AM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: Number57

If the border runners keep this up, eventually a fully armed border guard will be in place and will have orders to suppress, with force of arms, enemy action.


148 posted on 01/05/2007 11:37:12 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Regulator; B4Ranch; DumpsterDiver; HiJinx; hedgetrimmer; Smartass; Czar; calcowgirl

The first report that I read yesterday stated that the Mexicans were dressed in military uniforms. Right now I can't find a link to it but when I do, I'll let you know.

For those of you that I pinged, read post #138. Very interesting to say the least.


149 posted on 01/05/2007 1:14:00 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: satan; texastoo
The first report that I read yesterday stated that the Mexicans were dressed in military uniforms

Dear Mr. Satan...is that accurate, considering the report you've referenced?

150 posted on 01/05/2007 1:29:53 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Ajnin

Ping for anything you'd like to add...


151 posted on 01/05/2007 1:31:24 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator

Interesting that you recommend a FOIA - that could take months for a release. By then, no one will remember the incident.

I believe months is an optimistic estimate. I do a lot of FOIA responses - try years. Except for recent requests from CAIR - they get expedited from the top. Incredible?


152 posted on 01/05/2007 1:40:17 PM PST by satan
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To: Joan Kerrey

That is funny, but it is exactly what many are saying.

The US is the only country that is not allowed to secure its borders.


153 posted on 01/05/2007 2:30:38 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Wolfstar
8. Not only does that make you and your ilk a large part of the problem, but it also makes you a fool.

A fool would be someone who has capitulated. Not me. I DO want them all deported. It's your ilk that have let the problem get out of hand through capitulation.

3. From where I sit, it is you hysterics rigidly demanding only the most Draconian measures -- and viciously turning on everyone who doesn't see things EXACTLY your way -- who have made it impossible to find a reasonable solution during a period when we might well have done so. Now our chance is lost, quite probably forever.

Any chance was lost when Bush took office. He had no intention of ever controlling illegal immigration even after we were attacked.

6. Down to reality: The mean, ugly, downright stupid behavior of people like you has alienated not only those who are on the opposite side of you politically; not only independents who potentially are open to any of several solutions; but large numbers of us who are your natural political allies.

Just remember. It's been you posting this vitriol. Not me. Did you even read the report from the Heritage Foundation? I doubt it. Those two paragraphs were a synopsis of the report. Look at the data and see if you are not advocating a permanent second class. Because that's what's coming. The only way out of it now is to spend tax money to support them which is what we have been doing. It's only going to get worse with leagalization. Then they will be entitled to much more of our tax dollars. But, you go ahead and pretend that a "reasonable solution" will actually solve anything.

154 posted on 01/05/2007 3:17:31 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: daybreakcoming
...nutshell...

Home?

155 posted on 01/05/2007 3:31:22 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: frankiep
I voted for him twice also. All I can say about him now is that he literally makes me sick. I hope his sorry @$$ gets impeached.

Same here!!!

156 posted on 01/05/2007 3:39:34 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: raybbr; Wolfstar

Thank you for making Wolfstar's point.


157 posted on 01/05/2007 3:46:42 PM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: texastoo
And what was the response from our federal government?

Silence. Nothing to say.

158 posted on 01/05/2007 4:25:35 PM PST by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: daybreakcoming
Thank you for making Wolfstar's point.

Yeah. Right. You guys are pathetic in your vitriol. Instead of directing it to illegal invaders you attack fellow Americans concerned for the soveriegnty of our nation.

159 posted on 01/05/2007 4:30:46 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Czar
And what was the response from our federal government?

Did you have to ask?

160 posted on 01/05/2007 5:05:33 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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