"Louise, I don`t care what you say, I am converting and my new name is Mohammed Jefferson! Now what did you do with my Koran??"
Posted on 01/03/2007 9:27:34 AM PST by mngran
Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, found himself under attack last month when he announced he'd take his oath of office on the Koran -- especially from Virginia Rep. Virgil Goode, who called it a threat to American values.
Yet the holy book at tomorrow's ceremony has an unassailably all-American provenance. We've learned that the new congressman -- in a savvy bit of political symbolism -- will hold the personal copy once owned by Thomas Jefferson.
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Err, that would be "Jefferson" - not jerrerson
That's pretty much the joke I was going to say. I had sex out of wedlock, but it was ok, because it was with a descendant of one of Thomas Jefferson's illegitimate children!
In the Hadith Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369, we see Mohamed make a specific provision for Muslims to lie if it will help them to kill an enemy.
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."
Not from the Koran, but still islamic scripture.
In his Autobiography he discusses it in relation to his Virginia bill for religious freedom:
"Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion” the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it’s protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination."
I imagine Tom J's Koran would be like his Bible- with all "divine" references edited out...
And if I'm going to argue that, I have to also argue that this guy has to able to freely swear on the Koran if he chooses to do so.
The Constitution is absolutely 100% crystal clear on this point; no religious tests or oaths are to be required for individuals to hold public office in this country, period.
In Jefferson's time, the Muslims were not killing Americans. At least, not in large numbers.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.php
The islam-o-fascists deny it of course.
Re: Islamic lying is called Taqiyya
Google is your friend.
Is that what people here are always screaming about? Seems pretty uncontroversial to me. Christianity had that debate in the 3rd century, and it was eventually decided that while hiding the fact that you were a Christian during persecution wasn't a great thing, it wasn't something that should kick you out of the church either, which was what some of the hardliners had wanted.
http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/comment/london200512160955.asp
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22970
Hmmm. Now, he did consult the Koran -- and just about every other holy book and legal document that existed -- when looking into natural law and working on the founding documents of this nation. However, by the time he was President, I tend to think that his study of the koran was more in the nature of a "know your enemy" mindset.
Frankly, we as a nation need to emulate that. I would like to see that actual text of the koran distributed to as many people as possible so that people could learn what it really says. Might help them recognize the taqqyia practiced by the Islamists, the MSM, and frankly, often our own government...
Actually the only book she will have an objection too is the Bible
The biggest contribution the Koran has had on me is they deny Jesus was killed. Said it was a trick because He was seen walking around after His Crucifixion. To admit Jesus was alive and seen by multitudes 600 years after it was written about is a faith builder for me. Why else would Mohamed feel compelled to explain the event to his followers?
Oh, and I'm still waiting for the "burning in my bosom" from the Book of Mormon. AIN'T HAPPENING SO FAR.
An English translation of the Quran? But, but, but. . .Muslims always tell me that the Quran is only correct when read in Arabic. Guess this guy doesn't agree.
Did Jefferson cut bits out of it with a razor?
That's what he did with the Bible.
And besides, I thought infidels weren't supposed to touch a Koran.
With regard to Goode's comments, they were vapid and moronic. The fact that the ultra-leftist voters in Berkley of the North voted for this clown doesn't mean everybody else is going to vote for a muzzy, and as Ellison is native-born, I don't understand WTF immigration has to do with any of it. I'm all for clamping down on immigration, but it's a complete non-sequiter in this case and his equation of the two is alarmist sophistry that undermines the cause.
Good point, and well worth repeating. Goode is a moron, doing damage to conservatism with his inane comments.
Not at all. As another poster has pointed out, he can swear on anything at all -- or on nothing.
He has chosen to swear in on a book which guides our enemies during our current war, and which says he can lie to us.
He's making a statement about his allegiance. It's not to you or to me. Or to this country. Or our constitution. Or to the one true God. His allegiance lies elsewhere.
"Louise, I don`t care what you say, I am converting and my new name is Mohammed Jefferson! Now what did you do with my Koran??"
(You should have put a pix from his "Thomas Jefferson" episode for Halloween....)
white or black??
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