But It's Thomas Jefferson's Koran!

The Washington Post ^ | 1/3/07 | Amy Artsinger and Roxanne Roberts

[mngran]

Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, found himself under attack last month when he announced he'd take his oath of office on the Koran -- especially from Virginia Rep. Virgil Goode, who called it a threat to American values.

Yet the holy book at tomorrow's ceremony has an unassailably all-American provenance. We've learned that the new congressman -- in a savvy bit of political symbolism -- will hold the personal copy once owned by Thomas Jefferson.

[AppyPappy]

I believe the koran says that a Muslim can freely lie to non-Muslims, so taking an oath on it is complete joke

Reference please.

[RexBeach]

Jon Voight's LeBaron?

[lesser_satan]

Who cares what Ellison swears on? It's all meaningless to people like him anyway. He's a radical leftist who will tell any lie to further his own agenda.

With regard to Goode's comments, they were vapid and moronic. The fact that the ultra-leftist voters in Berkley of the North voted for this clown doesn't mean everybody else is going to vote for a muzzy, and as Ellison is native-born, I don't understand WTF immigration has to do with any of it. I'm all for clamping down on immigration, but it's a complete non-sequiter in this case and his equation of the two is alarmist sophistry that undermines the cause.

[onedoug]

Muslims have faith while Judeo-Christian America teeters on the edge of following Europe into the abyss.

[facedown]

OK... so I have a copy of "Mein Kampf" (in my library). That doesn't mean I believe in it.

Me too, and Mao's little red book and The Social Contract and The Communist Manifesto and...

[Andonius_99]

you did, too, eh? yeah, she was naughty...

[L98Fiero]

"Jon Voight's LeBaron?"

It's a little known fact that Jefferson had it first.

[ThisLittleLightofMine]

How did he receive this property.....this piece of useless junk....do doubt it must be on loan to him but from who?

[ThisLittleLightofMine]

oops that should have been no doubt.....laptop keyboards.

[CarrotAndStick]

Reference please.

http://www.al-islam.org/ENCYCLOPEDIA/chapter6b/1.html

The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury." A one-word translation would be "dissimulation."


More info in the link provided.

[Bigh4u2]

I found this as well..

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/ashraf.htm

[Jo Nuvark]

[...Me too, and Mao's little red book and The Social Contract and The Communist Manifesto and...]

Should I be worried about you?

[Cementjungle]

so swearing upon it is like swearing on the NY Times

I frequently swear AT the NY Times.

[Max in Utah]

[lying to infidels]

Reference please.

taqiyya

In Shi'a Islamic as well as Druze tradition, Taqiyya (ÇáÊÞíÉ - 'fear, guard against')[1] is the dispensation allowing believers to conceal their faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion. It is based on Qur'an verses 3:28 and 16:106 as well as hadith, tafsir literature, and juridical commentaries.[2] Some Sunnis assert that Taqiyya is an act of hypocrisy that serves to conceal the truth. According to them, Taqiyya constitutes a lack of faith and trust in God because the person who conceals his beliefs to spare himself from danger is fearful of humans, when he should be fearful of God only.
▬ http://www.answers.com/topic/taqiyya

[facedown]

Should I be worried about you?

Most definitely. 8^)

[Dave S]

I believe the koran says that a Muslim can freely lie to non-Muslims, so taking an oath on it is complete joke.

If you are so concerned about this guy making a false oath and lying, what difference does it make what book he rests his hand on? Do you really think requiring him to take an oath on the Bible is going to put the fear of God in him?

[AppyPappy]

Hmmm...I was kinda hoping for a one line verse from the Quoran rather than a novel about it. I've always found that the longer the explanation, the less likely it is true.

Maybe someone can point out a quick Quoran reference.

[AppyPappy]

Oddly, I was told the same thing about Jews i.e. that Jews can lie without consequence to non-Jews. Oddly, they never knew a definitive source for the belief. After 9/11, I heard the exact same thing about the Muslims.

It sounds like they are alowed to conceal their faith in certain circumstances. I hope Obama doesn't know this one.

[2banana]

Lying for Allah is okay, according to the eminent Islamic scholar Imam Ghazali, who wrote:

" When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible " (Ref: Ahmad Ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller , Amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745).

Imam Ghazali does not say this without knowledge. He is basing his fatwa on the words and examples of the Prophet himself.

In one hadith we read that the prophet calls upon his followers to assassinate Ka’b ibn Ashraf, the chief of a Jewish tribe who was wary of Muhammad and tells them it is okay to tell a lie to deceive him. Bukhari, Volume 5, #369

The fact is that Muslims feel no pang of conscience to lie if that lie is said for Allah’s sake and his religion. If the lie is said for a good cause it is okay.

(...) Muhammad said: "Lying is wrong, *except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for **war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people" (Ahmad, 6.459. H).

(...) *Islam is the only religion that implies in it's scriptures that it's ever permissible to lie.

(...) **any non Muslim land is considered Dar ul Harb a land of war

[norton]

"I have a copy of "Mein Kampf" (in my library). That doesn't mean I believe in it."

And probably for the same reasons as Jerrerson had the koran in his.
But, if you are ever elected to public office, don't take it to the swearing in.