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To: jennyp
...please do try to respond to that in your own words this time.

Everything I write, with the exception of attributed quotes, is my own copywritten material.


It's the objective truth of human nature and what kinds of behavior thriving in that environment requires.

That is sophistry, or do you want to concede that MIGHT MAKES RIGHT ???

Claims of morality is sophistry without some singular higher power defining what it is.

Again, returning to Plato's Euthyphro, Socrates advanced the argument that piety to the gods who all want different things is impossible. Socrates exposed the pagan esoteric sophistry.

The mythical rights of men and women are meaningless.

The very concept of rights is also founded in religion.

Since the enlightened person is freed from any superstitions about some "God," they are free from having to worry about "rights." Only raw power counts and humans are just meat puppets for the powerful...

MIGHT MAKES RIGHT is your argument, not mine.

112 posted on 12/31/2006 5:04:22 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Why do you believe that might makes right? "Might makes right" is simply a restating of "all victors throughout history were in the right. Never has a wronged party to an armed dispute ever lost. Their defeats prove they were in the wrong to begin with."

Needless to say, that's absurd.

I think you are indeed an atheist - a recent convert, in fact. But as you have stated here, you agree with theists that the only way one can justify a morality is by positing a supernatural dictator who can arbitrarily impose a moral code on everyone.

I think that, deep down, you are terrified that you've lost your intellectual trust in the concept of morality as such. You're desperately clinging to this simplistic might-makes-right construction because it's the only one you think you can logically justify, but that's going to fall apart for you pretty soon as you gain some wisdom in your real life. Besides, I'm sure you realize on some level, even this moment, that "might makes right" is absurd. And you don't believe in that deus ex machina God who could supply something that kinda-sorta looks like a stand-in for objective morality. And you can't extricate yourself from this contradiction.

And yet... you believe in morality. Against everything you think you know. Morality just... refuses... to... be... reasoned... away. Or perhaps it's that you just... viscerally... cannot... give... up... on... some... any... belief... in... morality.

I do hope that when the philosophical terror gets too much, you remember what we Objectivists have been trying to explain to you: Human nature, and the behaviors & principles that it implies are necessary in order to thrive as humans, is that objective "higher power" you're searching for that prevents enlightened self-interest from devolving into nihilistic subjectivism.

113 posted on 12/31/2006 11:52:16 PM PST by jennyp (Just a one-day suspension? That's bait & switch!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"That is sophistry, or do you want to concede that MIGHT MAKES RIGHT ???"

Ahh. There it is. Never mind the previous post, at least your consistent.
115 posted on 01/13/2007 8:38:08 AM PST by ndt
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