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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Why do you believe that might makes right? "Might makes right" is simply a restating of "all victors throughout history were in the right. Never has a wronged party to an armed dispute ever lost. Their defeats prove they were in the wrong to begin with."

Needless to say, that's absurd.

I think you are indeed an atheist - a recent convert, in fact. But as you have stated here, you agree with theists that the only way one can justify a morality is by positing a supernatural dictator who can arbitrarily impose a moral code on everyone.

I think that, deep down, you are terrified that you've lost your intellectual trust in the concept of morality as such. You're desperately clinging to this simplistic might-makes-right construction because it's the only one you think you can logically justify, but that's going to fall apart for you pretty soon as you gain some wisdom in your real life. Besides, I'm sure you realize on some level, even this moment, that "might makes right" is absurd. And you don't believe in that deus ex machina God who could supply something that kinda-sorta looks like a stand-in for objective morality. And you can't extricate yourself from this contradiction.

And yet... you believe in morality. Against everything you think you know. Morality just... refuses... to... be... reasoned... away. Or perhaps it's that you just... viscerally... cannot... give... up... on... some... any... belief... in... morality.

I do hope that when the philosophical terror gets too much, you remember what we Objectivists have been trying to explain to you: Human nature, and the behaviors & principles that it implies are necessary in order to thrive as humans, is that objective "higher power" you're searching for that prevents enlightened self-interest from devolving into nihilistic subjectivism.

113 posted on 12/31/2006 11:52:16 PM PST by jennyp (Just a one-day suspension? That's bait & switch!)
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To: jennyp
Why do you believe that might makes right?

It is what you believe. I am not a "believer."


I think you are indeed an atheist -

I am not an ecumenical atheist. I am not an orthodox atheist. There are no such things.


You're desperately clinging to this simplistic might-makes-right construction because it's the only one you think you can logically justify,...

I have proven with LOGIC, as did Socrates before me; that without some singular higher power defining what is correct for human behavior, morality is an arbitrary esoteric hobgoblin, an idol of human design.


And yet... you believe in morality.

Where have I said that?

An atheist who says I am immoral is no different than a preacher or rabbi saying I am a sinner.

Morality and all of it associated ideals are rooted entirely in the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.


I'm sure you realize on some level, even this moment, that "might makes right" is absurd.

Dear, your Freudian slip is showing...


I do hope that when the philosophical terror gets too much, you remember what we Objectivists...

You are not gods, you just like to play them. The cult of personality that has grown up around Ayn Rand (one of my favorite writers) has become exactly like the sophists Socrates was fighting against in ancient Athens.


Human nature, and the behaviors & principles that it implies...

Proves that humans are devolving into nihilistic subjectivism.

114 posted on 01/01/2007 2:11:14 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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