[steve-b]

It's also very difficult to believe that his disciples - to a man - would accept a gruesome death (or banishment to an isle prison in the case of John) in support of known hoax.

Do you find it equally difficult to accept that nineteen people would crash the planes they had taken over into skyscrapers?

If not, how do you differentiate between one suicide and another?

If so, how do you avoid the conclusion that Wahabi Islam is the true religion?

[WriteOn]

Clearly that's not the sole leg of his argument. Doh!

[therut]

Apples and Oranges. Would those guy have flown those planes into the building if they knew their beliefs were false. That is what you are saying. I think not. Just as the apostles would not have died for something they knew was a lie. They were eye witnesses these guys flying the planes are not.