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Maui erects Christmas tree to protect menorah [Which side the ACLU is really on.]
Jewish Telegraphic Agency ^ | 22DEC06 | Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Posted on 12/22/2006 1:51:56 PM PST by familyop

A Hawaii county erected a Christmas tree to protect a Chanukah menorah from a church-state separation challenge.

The American Civil Liberties Union complained to Maui County this week after seeing the menorah, accompanied by a dreidel, in front of the county building. A local rabbi had asked authorities for permission to set up the menorah. The ACLU cited laws that say that displaying a religious symbol by itself could constitute endorsement of that religion.

County workers scrambled Wednesday to find a Christmas tree, in short supply in Hawaii this late in the season. One was found at a local botanical garden.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; christmastree; hawaii; judaism; maui; menorah; on; war; waronchristmas2006
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1 posted on 12/22/2006 1:52:01 PM PST by familyop
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To: Alouette; SJackson
Ping for later.
2 posted on 12/22/2006 1:53:50 PM PST by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: familyop

Then a holy suicide bomber decided to enter the debate and, well, that was the end of that.


3 posted on 12/22/2006 1:57:23 PM PST by Ilky Hucktar
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To: familyop

Christmas trees do not equal Menorah.

a Christmas tree is a pagan solstice symbol and the Menorah is a religious system.

The correct Christian symbol would be a nativity scene...that might just equal a Menorah.


4 posted on 12/22/2006 2:00:39 PM PST by Vaquero (Moderate Islam is Radical Islams Trojan horse in the West)
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To: familyop

"The American Civil Liberties Union complained (fill in blank here)....."

Ugh. What jerks........


5 posted on 12/22/2006 2:06:10 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Vaquero

According to some you are right. According to Luther the Christmas tree is a wonderful symbol of the trinity.


6 posted on 12/22/2006 2:09:57 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked)
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To: familyop

Someone needs to start a religion called "Screw You ACLU", so that every time one of these law suits comes up, they can demand that they too get to put up a banner.


7 posted on 12/22/2006 2:12:07 PM PST by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: familyop

All the county needed to do was call the menorah a "holiday candelabra".


8 posted on 12/22/2006 2:13:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: familyop
Maui County... The ACLU cited laws that say that displaying a religious symbol by itself could constitute endorsement of that religion.

Obviously, the ACLU folks should be institutionalized permanently. Anyone who thinks MAUI COUNTY HAWAII is *endorsing* Judaism is mentally defective, and cannot be entrusted with car keys, sharp instruments or the right to vote.

9 posted on 12/22/2006 2:13:28 PM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: vpintheak

"According to Luther the Christmas tree is a wonderful symbol of the trinity."

How so?


10 posted on 12/22/2006 2:23:44 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Vaquero
a Christmas tree is a pagan solstice symbol and the Menorah is a religious system.

Yes and no. Paganism is a religion. However, while the Christmas tree was originally pagan, the Church up and decided one day that they couldn't have the sheeple celebrating anything pagan. So, instead of a solstice tree which celebrated renewal of life with the changing seasons, they would from thence forth refer to the tree as a Christmas tree... which coincidently (kudos to the dude thought up that) also celebrated never ending life, but Christ's life and the red holly berries (ball ornaments today) be His blood given to save the pagans, um, make that the new Christians.

What, Maui doesn't have a Walmart? Surely, they could have found a cheap fake tree somewhere. Likely there were at least 3 in the building's attic, along with a nativity scene, if they'd just bothered looking instead of wasting tax payers' dollars.

11 posted on 12/22/2006 2:27:00 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: SampleMan
Someone needs to start a religion called "Screw You ACLU", so that every time one of these law suits comes up, they can demand that they too get to put up a banner.

I nominate you to start it. I'm sure you'll have a huge following within moments.

12 posted on 12/22/2006 2:30:11 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Kirkwood

The story of the Christmas tree goes back more than 1,200 years, back to the missionary trip of an English monk traveling to Germany. The legend is that the monk used the triangle shape of a fir tree as a means to illustrate the Holy Trinity.

Protestant reformer Martin Luther is said to have decorated his tree with candles in about 1510. Luther's effort became one of the earliest recorded decorated trees.


13 posted on 12/22/2006 2:53:53 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever

"Protestant reformer Martin Luther is said to have decorated his tree with candles"

That wasn't real bright.


14 posted on 12/22/2006 3:25:04 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221

"That wasn't real bright."

He used candles because he couldn't find and electrical outlet for his christmas lights!

:0)


15 posted on 12/22/2006 3:47:42 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Ilky Hucktar

When did a Christmas tree become a religous symbol?


16 posted on 12/22/2006 3:56:12 PM PST by Bulldawg Fan
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To: familyop
displaying a religious symbol by itself could constitute endorsement of that religion.
If the "religious symbol" has a basketball beside it then it would be okay?
17 posted on 12/22/2006 4:29:32 PM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: taxesareforever

It really isn't a triangle. It is cone-shaped. For that matter, I think the fir trees that Luther would have seen in his local forests are not particularly cone-shaped.


18 posted on 12/22/2006 4:46:52 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: taxesareforever
Here is what a tree would look like to Martin Luther in his time:

It isn't particularly triangular, but just spikey. I think the story about the trinity and a fir tree is actually an old wive's tale thought up by someone other than Luther. Luther can be linked to the tradition of lights on trees, however.
19 posted on 12/22/2006 4:53:57 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood

They started in Germany as "paradise trees." Before that, they were given offerings, decorated and paid homage to as Yule trees. Germanic peoples regarded (and continue to regard) trees as being sacred.


20 posted on 12/22/2006 5:04:37 PM PST by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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