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Mother: Ferret, not pit bull, gnawed off baby's toes (I am speechless)
The Dallas Morning News / The Associated Press ^ | 12/20/06 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/20/2006 8:54:01 PM PST by paulat

Mother: Ferret, not pit bull, gnawed off baby's toes

BENTON, La. – The parents of a month-old girl whose toes were gnawed off while they slept apparently disagree about whether the culprit was their ferret or their 6-week-old pit bull.

Mary Hansche, 22, told KTBS-TV on Tuesday that she thinks it was the ferret. "The way the bite marks were on her foot. The ferret being out of its cage. I knew it wasn't the dog," she said.

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"We were told that the puppy had blood on its fur. But when the officers arrived there, the animal did not have blood on its mouth," he said.

Natale said which animal did it won't affect charges against the Hansches, who were booked Dec. 10 on charges of child desertion and criminal negligence and remained jailed Wednesday in lieu of $50,000 bond each.

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Their daughter has been released from the hospital and is in state custody.

The Hansches were asleep on a mattress on the floor and the baby in a carrier next to the mattress when her cries woke them, police have said. They were not tested for alcohol or drugs, since such tests would not be needed to prove the charges, Natale said Wednesday.

Defense attorney Pam Smart said she is waiting for results of a hair analysis to back up the couple's statement that they were not using drugs.

[snip]

She also said their bonds are too high for misdemeanors. A bond reduction hearing is scheduled next month.

Both pets were released from quarantine but will remain in the Bossier City animal shelter until the court case is over, Natale said. Either the court or the city may decide their fate, he said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: child; dogs; ferrets; idiots; pitbull; rdo; stupid
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To: LowOiL

66 deaths by pit bulls in 19 years.

Gosh, are you going to post the stats (as opposed to predisposition) for how many people killed people in those 19 years? Those would be good side by side.


341 posted on 12/27/2006 9:47:41 PM PST by KJC1 (Right when you think you're really good is when you need to pay the most attention)
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To: LowOiL

P.S. It would be also be a good idea to add "stats" (not even taking predisposition into account) of how many pit bulls lived in this country in those 19 years, because you know, the percentage of pits who did no harm should be reported as well. That is, if there is any interest in recognizing that the vast majority of pits never harm anyone.


342 posted on 12/27/2006 9:54:38 PM PST by KJC1 (Right when you think you're really good is when you need to pay the most attention)
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To: KJC1
the percentage of pits who did no harm should be reported as well.

You go ahead... again I mention my memories of the summers I worked for a vet (assistant or otherwise known as a poop scooper), not so fond memories of the pits that meant me harm. I know the breeds and their despositions quite fine. I imagine the stats would be far higher if people were not visually able to decern breeds like pits and take precautions in advance like we were.

I have never seen a rabie's poles used on a rabid dog, but I have seen it used to keep mentally disturbed pits for taking the staffs apendages off.

BTW... speaking of stats...

Pit bull owners more likely to be criminals

343 posted on 12/27/2006 10:17:14 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: LowOiL

for taking = for preventing the taking off of body parts of staff members.


344 posted on 12/27/2006 10:21:44 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: LowOiL

How lame. If you offer stats of a whopping 66 deaths caused by pits in 19 years, why shy away from providing the number of pits who existed during these years?


345 posted on 12/27/2006 10:22:41 PM PST by KJC1 (Right when you think you're really good is when you need to pay the most attention)
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To: LowOiL
or ....

for = from

346 posted on 12/27/2006 10:23:22 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: KJC1
Lame is not admitting the pit breed causes the majority of deaths. Lame is not even not acknowledging the breed is violent (as is the percentage of owners percentage wise). Lame is what this kid never got a chance to be, due to being killed the other day...

Texas Boy 4 killed by Pit bulls...

Excert...

A Houston-area family was mourning the death of their 4-old-son who was killed by two pit bulls that attacked as he was playing with his 2-year-old brother. Pedro Rios died of his injuries Tuesday afternoon in a mobile home park east of Houston, the Houston Chronicle reported Wednesday. He and his brother were playing when the dogs approached. The younger boy managed to escape. The boys' mother heard screams and raced to the boy and tried pulling the dogs off but they wouldn't let go until lights and sirens of sheriff's deputies' cars startled them, the report said. Deputies killed one dog and the other was wounded and taken into the custody of county public health and veterinary services. The mauled boy was airlifted to Memorial Hermann Hospital but was declared dead soon after arrival, the newspaper said. Deputies said many neighbors had seen the dogs and thought they were strays. They said no one has admitted to owning the dogs, the Chronicle reported.

347 posted on 12/27/2006 10:29:41 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: LowOiL

Any direct answers to 341 and 342?


348 posted on 12/27/2006 10:38:57 PM PST by KJC1 (Right when you think you're really good is when you need to pay the most attention)
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To: KJC1
Another interesting factoid...

Years 1982 - 2006

Pit Bulls (pure breed, mixes are not included)... Attacks 1110, Deaths 104, Maimings 608...

Maimings= permanent disfiguring or loss of limb...

349 posted on 12/27/2006 10:55:54 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: LowOiL

I'm not asking for "factoids." I have been asking for studies about predisposition.

However, since no one has offered that up, I decided to see if those of you who quote stats on deaths caused by pits to supply the number of pits who lived during that timeframe so we could see the percentage...in other words, put it in perspective.

It's not hard to understand what I've been asking for, unless one wants to be willfully obtuse.


350 posted on 12/27/2006 11:08:42 PM PST by KJC1 (Right when you think you're really good is when you need to pay the most attention)
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To: KJC1
missing the point entirely......

humans first, animals second.....putting animals before people is pure PAGANISM....

children should never be put at risk, even a slight one, when it comes to having animals around...

and the papers are full of stories about how someone's prized "pet" just went wild all of a sudden and attacked or killed someone, and he was a "good" dog and "never did this before".......

351 posted on 12/27/2006 11:23:06 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

I'm not missing the point. I'm the one who was making the point that as of yet remains unaddressed.

Yes, animals have killed children.

Not just pits but a multitude of species. What is your solution?


352 posted on 12/27/2006 11:28:38 PM PST by KJC1 (Right when you think you're really good is when you need to pay the most attention)
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To: panthermom; KJC1
Still no answer to this post, KJ? Maybe you figure panthermom is plain lying, or that the snip below and literally HUNDREDS of other FReeper accounts of pit bulls run amuck in their personal circles, don't count because -- hey, they're just anecdotes!!!

What you really want is for us to believe YOU and not our lyin' eyes. This is a fact whether you like it or not: drug dealers and losers who own basset hounds have dogs that pose little or zero danger to innocent neighbors. It is demonstrably true (just do a FR or internet search for news stories) that drug dealers and losers who own pit bulls have dogs that pose lethal danger to innocent neighbors. IT IS A BREED PROBLEM, no matter how you rationalize otherwise.

Pantermom wrote: Gee, tell that to a friend of mine. Just recently he was helping out his neighbor by changing her license plate and her pit, got out of the house and attacked him while he was bent down behind the car, over 300 stitches. The dog tore him up, from his arms down his legs. She had the dog since puppyhood, he was very familiar with the dog as were his kids. He's thankful that when the dog freaked it got him instead of any of the kids in the neighborhood.

353 posted on 12/28/2006 9:40:35 AM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: panthermom; KJC1

I see that while KJC1 has responded to other posts, he has been conspicuously silent with regard to your post (#114) to him about your friend who was attacked by a neighbor's family pit bull that he knew well. KJC1 and many others on this thread are in deep, deep denial. I think it's because they are wholly feminized with regard to how they relate to dogs, whom they view as more like children than canines.


354 posted on 12/28/2006 9:45:42 AM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Finny

I'm not avoiding any particular post(s).

I have not denied that some pits have attacked, so I don't see your point in driving this one story home, or suggesting that I think that FReeper was lying. I have indicated no such thing.

When I have asked for studies on predisposition, I get anecdotes. When I ask others to honestly lay out the number of pits (percentage) who HAVEN'T hurt anyone, I get crickets and diversions or told that *I'm* in denial.

Strange.



355 posted on 12/28/2006 9:51:24 AM PST by KJC1 (Right when you think you're really good is when you need to pay the most attention)
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To: metmom
I am not a pit fan or defender...but I do know the press. Many children are mauled by ALL kinds of dogs, even little ones regularly. You generally do not hear about that because it doesn't fit the "pit bull is evil" storyline for the press.

The great irony is, the more the press runs these kinds of stories, the more folks who have no business owning dogs buy them to make themselves look tough and intimidating. The press is actually CAUSING more people to be hurt through their own irresponsibility. If the press wanted to make a difference, they could start promoting, I don't know, FISH as the ultimate bad-a@@ pet.

When he was a kid, my husband was mauled by two German Shepherds which were the "intimidation dog" of the 70s . Dobermans were the intimidation dogs of the 80s and Pits are the intimidation dogs of the 90s. I vote for Poms to take over at this point. One of my bosses was so torn up by a client's psycho Pomeranian (Oh you frightened my poor little darling...) he had to get stitches in his chest. If that dog was bigger and stronger, my boss would have been dead.

My point is simply that ALL dogs are dangerous because they are not humans despite our inane tendency to anthropomorphize. We do neither ourselves or our dogs any favors when we forget that and buy into the media hype.

And by the way...I love our family dog (she's a black lab/Aussie/something mutt) with all my heart. But I don't trust her much. ;-)
356 posted on 12/28/2006 10:11:06 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish

Excellent points. Some of us are paying attention to facts, and others seem to be caught up on stories. Interesting to note that the news is here to report unusual or rare incidents. If these dogs were all really dangerous, there would be millions of deaths a year instead of less than 20, and once it gets to that point, it isn't media material because it's fact. The longest news stories have always been about a drama which seems to draw out conjecture instead of absolution.


357 posted on 12/28/2006 4:18:38 PM PST by solosmoke
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To: solosmoke

I agree. All I can add is that emotion is a blindingly powerful force. That's not a bad thing, but it does have to be taken into consideration when you react to things.


358 posted on 12/28/2006 4:21:31 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: solosmoke

By the way that is a general "you" not a you "you." I always worry that will be misconstrued as personal and forgot to change it to "one." ;-)


359 posted on 12/28/2006 4:22:33 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Finny
It is demonstrably true (just do a FR or internet search for news stories) that drug dealers and losers who own pit bulls have dogs that pose lethal danger to innocent neighbors. IT IS A BREED PROBLEM, no matter how you rationalize otherwise.

Finny, read what you have written
and see if you can see the contradiction in your statements.

360 posted on 12/29/2006 5:46:56 AM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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