U.S.: DISMAY AT ARREST OF ETHNIC SERBS

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Politics&loid=8.0.369696675&par=0 ^

[infidel_pride]

The ICTY's star witness was a perjured loon, Erdemovic, who was

a) paid in gold bullion. BTW the VRS was completely broke.
b) his boss ( of the 12 SD ) later worked in Paris as French military intel officer. ( CRIPES, I wonder how likely that was )
and
c) he can't recall why his best friend tried to kill him and some of his buddies a day or so after he supposedly executed a couple of thousand POWs. ( Which should get you thinking either his memory is bunk OR he's concealing something. Either way, it destroys all credibility )
Oh, and
d) he's an ethnic CROAT not a Serb. Indeed for most of the war, his unit had not a single ethnic SERB in it.

There's a billion and one other reasons why his testimony is CRAP but that should give you the general gist.

But to Red6, Erdemovic is a witness from heaven. Wikipedia rave over him too. 'Nuff said.

[tgambill]

Exactly, they in fact beheaded and murdered their prisoners. This would tend to piss off their comrades I do think.

[infidel_pride]

I know, I know, I know. But to Red6 it's Hell on Earth.

No, Red6.

People who quote from Wikipedia, that's Hell on Earth.

[LjubivojeRadosavljevic]

["The issue of these arrests is timing, in order to influence Congressional members to go pro-independence for Kosovo and also serve as a reminder to the rest of the world about the exaggerated version of the war in the Balkans."]

Interesting words you wrote (above, and let me amplify them).

[tgambill]

Hey, DTA, I got on up on you. How does this "FACT" sound;

Quote: "Without the capital supplied by WALL STREET, there would not have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and World War II" Historian Anthony Sutton.

Not only did we take the criminals in but we actually help to bank roll and support the Nazi movement, (reference General Motors with Henry Ford's support), at the same time we were fighting them in Europe. Fact of history.

only a sampling....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm

[LjubivojeRadosavljevic]

["only a sampling.... "]

Well, in the midst of your sampling technique, don't forget about Joseph P. Kennedy.

[tgambill]

absolutely.........I'll call you, here is the book...:)

I am an American, former military, patriot and wants my country back as a Constitutional Republic and not ruled by the International bankers and weak or President that support these international bankers. To begin a healing process, one must face the fact that a cancer does exist, and not in denial as a person with cancer who won't face it.

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html


http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_12.htm#The%20Pervasive%20Influence%20of%20International%20Bankers

"Two men were then backed as leaders for major Western countries: Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States and Adolf Hitler in Germany. The Roosevelt New Deal and Hitler's Four Year Plan had great similarities. The Roosevelt and Hitler plans were plans for fascist takeovers of their respective countries. While Roosevelt's NRA failed, due to then-operating constitutional constraints, Hitler's Plan succeeded.

Why did the Wall Street elite, the international bankers, want Roosevelt and Hitler in power? This is an aspect we have not explored. According to the "myth of 'Sidney Warburg,'" Wall Street wanted a policy of revenge; that is, it wanted war in Europe between France and Germany. We know even from Establishment history that both Hitler and Roosevelt acted out policies leading to war.

The link-ups between persons and events in this three-book series would require another book. But a single example will perhaps indicate the remarkable concentration of power within a relatively few organizations, and the use of this power.

On May 1st, 1918, when the Bolsheviks controlled only a small fraction of Russia (and were to come near to losing even that fraction in the summer of 1918), the American League to Aid and Cooperate with Russia was organized in Washington, D.C. to support the Bolsheviks. This was not a "Hands off Russia" type of committee formed by the Communist Party U.S.A. or its allies. It was a committee created by Wall Street with George P. Whalen of Vacuum Oil Company as Treasurer and Coffin and Oudin of General Electric, along with Thompson of the Federal Reserve System, Willard of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, and assorted socialists."

[joan]

It is a known FACT that the U.S. blamed Serbs for bombing an Albanian convoy, killing scores (around 80), but ammunition at the site revealed it was U.S. bombs and showed inspection numbers. After this, the U.S. admitted it did bomb the convoy afterall, but then claimed the Serbs "tricked" them. Always ready to find a new excuse when a lie is revealed. They knew FULL WELL when and where their planes bombed, but tried to blame it on the Serbs.

And U.S. soldiers were not on the ground and witnesses to anything before the bombings. (Unless you can give names and reports, but you haven't provided this.) But CANADIAN soldiers were - and they have said that Muslims DID stage attacks against their own people for PR purposes. They and others stationed there have written books and testified that the Muslims did provoke and initiate attacks as well.

You should read James R. Davis' "The Sharp End" which reveals the Muslim tactics. He called their forces (Bosnian Muslim government forces) "animals".

The sharp end: A Canadian soldier's story

Canadian troops were also on the ground witnesses to Croats murdering Serb civilians and ethnically cleansing them, killing their livestock and burning their houses in the MEDAK POCKET 1993. The ICTY however is not interested in this very well documented crimes witnessed by UN soldiers who have pictures too. The soldiers want to testify and show their crime photos - but the ICTY only wants to downplay and hide the genuine solid evidence and proof against Serbs.

As for NASER ORIC, top journalists, John Pomfret of the Washington Post and Bill Schiller of the Toronto Star, visited him in Srebrenica during the war and he showed videos he and his men took of Serb villages they had destroyed - THERE WAS A PILE OF HEADLESS SERB SOLDIERS - and Naser Oric bragged about the killing he did in the villages and told how he killed them - "cold weapons", explosives, etc.

The ICTY did not call these witnesses to evidence, nor show the films the Muslims took of their crimes which they watch with pleasure, nor the photos of destruction with Naser Oric and his men posing in front of destroyed churches and Serb property. The ICTY watered down the accusations and left out much evidence to give Naser Oric an easy trial where even the prosecution checked itself on evidence against him.

And you really need to answer the question of how a bunch of men sitting casually on their @sses and looking unscratched/injured or even dirty is a picture of "Hell" (your second link).

Your picture is really a photo of how a simple temporary detention of the enemy caught in the war is somehow made into being a "concentration camp". So you are providing evidence of propaganda and hype where the reality doesn't match the words/claims.

Those truly in hell were the Serb POWs held in underground tunnels and not having the media run around taking pictures of them as they did the Bosnian Muslim men. Serbs who, if they survived, came out on stretchers, with scars, mutilations, and so on. The Bosnian Muslims show no signs of torture upon release.

[StoneWall Brigade]

CRUSADE TO SAVE THE SERBS!!!!!

[Red6]

Post 28:

["The real liars are having a hard time in court."]

Oric didn't have such a "hard time in court."

Think before you write.


Post 31:

["You're right! I'll think a lot harder before I post the next time."]

Nice to hear that, and don't give me Wikipeida stuff.

Use your own head...but of course I may be asking too much.


***What part of he was “CONVICTED” is hard for you to understand? YOU ARE WRONG understand? Wrong, as in definitively 100% factually provable incorrect in your statement that he the court case went his way. Even when I attempts to sarcastically get my point across to you it goes right over your head! So I'll be more blunt: You are full of shit. Oric was found guilty.

Let me repost it, in the hopes that you might get it the third or fourth time you read it.

"As of March 16, 2006, the ICTY had indicted 161 persons. Only six of these remained "at large". The cases against 85 of the indicted had been concluded: 43 were found guilty, 8 acquitted, 25 had their indictments withdrawn, and six had died - 3 of these in custody, 3 while on parole. Four cases had been sent to national courts for trial. 15 of those convicted had completed their sentences and been released by March 2006.[1] ( http://www.un.org/icty/glance-e/index.htm )

[Red6]

why is it always "believed to be", "thought to be", "could be".

Because their is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, even if your name is Milosovic or Goering. However, the 161 Serbs found guilty of war crimes by a tribunal in the Hague are no longer presumed innocent. So there is no "thought" or "believed" in their case.

[Red6]

Your former post "You are a soldier and should be familiar with Geneva convention and The Hague Conventions regarding treatment of POWs and civilian forced labor. Working them to death is not an option - this is WAR CRIME. And that is exactly what happened in Penemunde and elsewhere where V2 was developed.
Von Braun was in position to prevent this and he did not. Neither did Rudolph.

Your notion that membership in Nazi party was not criminal act itself goes against The Nuremberg judgement. NSDAP was declared to be a CRIMINAL ORGANISATION.

As of idea that foreknowledge of Pearl Harbour is some kind of conspiracy theory, it shows that your knowledge is at least 50 years behind the published facts."

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1. Maybe you should attempt to read something about von Braun and not just throw around cliche's.

He was in no capacity capable of stopping anything nor was Rudolf for that matter. Even those FBI records used as proof by one of you fools actually indicate the OPPOSITE to be true of the point you're trying to make.

I suggest you guys read your own link: http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/arudolph.htm lol

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2. "NSDAP was declared to be a CRIMINAL ORGANISATION. "

Only a handful of NAZI's were prosecuted since one in six German adults were NAZI party members. There were literally 8.5 million members. While the organization was declared a criminal organization, membership did not make one guilty of war crimes. Again, what did Karajan do that constitutes as a war crime?

[ichabod1]

Only one problem -- they never found the bodies. I think you're the only person I've seen on here who actually defends what was done to the Serbs. We should, as a country, be ashamed and apologize.

[DTA]

According to ICTY's very own team there were 102,000 deaths in Bosnia. proportionaly split per capita between Serbs, Croats and Muslims (both factions).

Yet, out of 161 indicted, the bulk are Serbs. Out of 3 who died in custody ALL are Serbs. Out of those who were allowed to leave ICTY before the trial and being in good health, none are Serbs.

ICTY's brazen claim "BRINGING JUSTICE TO THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA" is tantamount to Dr Kavorkian bringing health to his patients.

ICTY was created as a political tool with a goal to "punish Serbian agresssion". "Agression" that was invented in political circles.

A court dispensing political tools is not a judicary institution. It is a court, like Hitler's peoples courts and Stalin trials.

[ichabod1]

oil reserves in the Caspian

Paging Jack Bauer. Jack Bauer please pick up the red courtesy phone.

[ichabod1]

And then we haven't even gotten into the mysterious death of Milosevic.

[Bokababe]

Red,

http://www.shofar.de/labeling-e.html The PR images of "Serbs as Nazis" became accepted as fact, even though the leaders of supposed "victims" were an Islamic fundamentalist and a Neo-Nazi Holocaust denier!

Clinton saw himself as "FDR", Blair as "Churchill", and the ICTY as "Nurenburg". All those countries that let the Jews down during WWII, wanted to prove that "genocide would not be tolerated" this time -- even if no genocide was taking place in the Balkans and the "defenseless victims" were "anything but that" Muslims:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1753444/posts

http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,91134-bosnia_p3705,00.html

The ICTY is a kangaroo court where they make up "laws" as they prosecute, and not before -- they base these "laws" around what sort of case that they think that they can make against a indictee after the fact, not before. It's so bad that even the US will not allow it's citizens to be governed by a "World Court". The purpose of these UN Courts are nothing more than to justify writing history from the victors point of view. The people involved in prosecuting this are not heroes, they are narcisstic villains.

Our involvement in Balkan politics has yielded nothing for us except embarassment (we don't accept a World Court to prosecute us, but we expect you little countries to agree to it!) and grief (we gave al Qaeda a new base in Europe) -- we got our "thanks" for saving Muslims on 9/11.

The whole situation is a sick farce.

[DTA]

>>>>>>>Because their is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, even if your name is Milosovic or Goering. However, the 161 Serbs found guilty of war crimes by a tribunal in the Hague are no longer presumed innocent. So there is no "thought" or "believed" in their case.<<<<

Again, I am scratching my head. In your own post #50, you cite ""As of March 16, 2006, the ICTY had indicted 161 persons. Only six of these remained "at large". The cases against 85 of the indicted had been concluded: 43 were found guilty, 8 acquitted, 25 had their indictments withdrawn, and six had died - 3 of these in custody, 3 while on parole. Four cases had been sent to national courts for trial. 15 of those convicted had completed their sentences and been released by March 2006."

It seems that you can not differentiate between 161 indicted and 161 convicted. You can not even figure out that 161 indicted Serbs, Croats, Muslims and Albanians does not constitute "161 Serbs found guilty of war crimes"

It only shows that either you are clutching for a straw, perhaps to convince yourself of something you know too well not to be true, or trying to fool us like a kid caught with a hand in a cookie jar.

[tgambill]

true.....In the years I was there, it seemed that nothing was definite and when you thought you had it figured out, it always had a twist to the drama.....that is the Balkans. In many cases, Serbs would help Albanians steal Serb cows or tractors.....it was somewhat confusing at times.

[Red6]

You're right, 161 were not convicted.

No, I know the difference, but you want to DENY what happened and play semantical games with war crimes. 43 were found guilty.

I'm waiting in suspense to see what sort of fallacy you'll use in your next argument.