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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread (?) Monday Dec 18th, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com | 12-18-2006

Posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie

On Sunday's Meet the Depressed Mr Newt stuck his whole head in it once again. He said we needed to send 500,000 troops to Iraq. Some questions for Mr Newt

Hey Newt, We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam at the height of our involvement. How did that work out for us?

Curious, where are you going to get the 500,000 troops for Iraq? How long do they stay? What are they going to be doing?

Gee Newt, I guess I missed the part of your Resume that covered your military background. Which Staff Schools did YOU attend Newt?

Newt has become a perfect machine politician. He simply is picking up on what the DC Political-Media complex wants to hear and saying it. He and McCain are basically the singing the same one note DC Marching song. This way both of them can placate the Right by saying "See we are supporting the troops" and still suck up to the DC noise machine by being against how the Iraq mission is being run by the President.

It is short attention span theater time again. The American people simply lack the emotional or intellectually discipline to face anything that requires sustained effort. So as usually the political snake oil salesmen are crawling out of the slime with the usual simplistic answers and easy fixes. Only problem is what they are trying to selling on Iraq is pure poison. The DC "Conventional Wisdom" on Iraq is, as usual, neither conventional nor wisdom

What Newt SHOULD be doing is listening to what Gen Abizaid told the US Senate when he came back from Iraq to testify to the US Senate in mid November. Newt should become Gen Abizaid's standard bearer. Position himself as the guy covering our troops back from the idiots in DC who STILL have learned nothing since LBJ screwed up "Nam.

For example, Newt could be raising the point that when asked specifically about troop levels by Sen McCain, Gen Abizaid (who only happens to be the actual commander on the Ground in Iraq) all but told McCain he is an utter idiot on Iraq. Gen Abizaid made it clear he did NOT need more troops. Newt should cut himself out of the 2008 pack by being the sane serious voice on Iraq backing up the Military rather then merely howling after the Junk Media pack. This "More Troops" propaganda line is both stupid political strategy and stupid military strategy.

There are 4 reasons why too many troops can be as bad as too few troops in a Counter Insurgency Mission.

Retardation, Marginalization, Friction and Unrealistic expectations.

Too many troops retards the locals efforts to develop their own military/political structure to govern . It takes time and effort to train and blood troops. It especially takes time to train up the cadre to run a serious military. Good NCOs and Officers are not born, they are made. This was on of the major US mistakes in Vietnam. It was easier to just have the US troops take over doing everything then work through the leaning curve of the locals. Problem was once the US no longer had the political will to carry on the mission they simply dumped the problem on an under developed Vietnamese political/military structure.

There is this odd American arrogance that seem to think ONLY Americans can do anything. Everyone else is incompetent and or corrupt. Only problem is the American public, like most spoiled brats, lacks the emotional or mental discipline to stick with unpleasant difficult tasks. Too many US troops would simply retards all efforts to get the locals to the point they can contain or break the Insurgents for themselves then when the petulant American people simply decided they wanted us to go home, there would be no one to pick up the bat for us.

Too many troops also marginalizes efforts to develop a counter political structure strong enough to break or contain the Insurgency. It deligitmizes the locals efforts and makes them simply look as lackeys of the occupying power. Having the US run everything marginalizes the political credibility of the local political structure and spurs the Insurgents propaganda and recruitment efforts.

The more troops the more friction with the locals. Face it, having a bunch of hyper aggressive mostly young mostly male Americans suddenly descend on you town is NO ones idea of a good time. Even in our own military towns there is a lot of friction between the locals and the military. Think how much worse that would be in an alien culture with a living memory of being a colony in everything but name? A heavily armed society with an exaggerated sense of male empowerment? Basically you have two aggressive testosterone drive heavily armed dominate male groups in close proximity.

Unrealistic Expectations. Send a lot troop and the expectation is you can quickly and easily solve all problems and bring the boys home. No, not in a Counter Insurgency. Counter Insurgency is evolutionary, not revolutionary. It takes time and lots of back breaking effort.. Sending a whole lot of troops simply exhausted your fiscal and military resources faster.

There are other things such as the added friction both on the locals and the US forces of having heavily armed, under trained conventional troops performing close combat operations in civilian areas. The counter productive results of a "kill people and wreck stuff" Conventional mentality in dealing with a Asymmetrical threat etc etc etc.

Frankly the DC Noise machine should simply shut up and get out of the US Military's way. They studied Vietnam hard and actually have the right answers here. As in Vietnam, the problem here is the "Washington Knows Best" mentality of the entrenched political media power structure who simply will sacrifice anything and anyone to avoid having to admit GW Bush has been right about Iraq all along.


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To: MaestroLC

This chump's unemployed by choice.


361 posted on 12/18/2006 11:46:07 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Roccus

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362 posted on 12/18/2006 11:46:16 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: MaestroLC

I haven't bought veal in about 30yrs. (except at restaurants) I like it, I can afford it, it's just not a good value for my food dollar.


363 posted on 12/18/2006 11:47:28 AM PST by Roccus (Dealing with Politicians IS the War on Terror.)
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To: MaestroLC

How far behind is WLS? They are talking to a guy named David talking about food.


364 posted on 12/18/2006 11:48:04 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: rottndog
He buys $240 worth of food. That is not starving!
365 posted on 12/18/2006 11:48:13 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: Roccus
No doubt there are many people starving and they need help. But for this guy to even suggest he is one of them is just ridiculous.
366 posted on 12/18/2006 11:51:00 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: Roccus
sadly no i had forgot about it till late last night when i found the note i wrote to myself remanding about it ):
367 posted on 12/18/2006 11:51:03 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (HAPPY 200TH BRITHDAY R.E. LEE.)
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To: MaestroLC

That's $8 a day. Budgeted correctly, that's plenty of money to eat for a month.


368 posted on 12/18/2006 11:52:00 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: rottndog

I eat great for about $40 a week.


369 posted on 12/18/2006 11:53:07 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: MaestroLC
Did you notice Ted Kennedy said, 36 million starve under the Bush admin? If Kerry was President nobody would starve. /s
370 posted on 12/18/2006 11:53:08 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27
If Kerry was President nobody would starve.

Just like all the homeless people suddenly disappeared when Clinton took office.
371 posted on 12/18/2006 11:54:17 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Fawn
He cooks veal on an outdoor grill, and was proud of it. Then he spews how he is worried his family will starve. UGH!
372 posted on 12/18/2006 11:55:21 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Under Reagan homeless where on every street corner. /s


373 posted on 12/18/2006 11:55:50 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=72083


374 posted on 12/18/2006 11:57:24 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Hello


375 posted on 12/18/2006 11:58:14 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (HAPPY 200TH BRITHDAY R.E. LEE.)
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To: MaestroLC

Thanks! People where scared to be the first to stop clapping for Stalin...


376 posted on 12/18/2006 11:58:18 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Hey pal.


377 posted on 12/18/2006 12:00:00 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Fawn

In 1984, I was able to buy a week's worth of basic foods for $10.


378 posted on 12/18/2006 12:00:05 PM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

I found it here.

http://www.actwv.org/commercials.mx

It's about 20mins long and worth the time,IMO.


379 posted on 12/18/2006 12:00:35 PM PST by Roccus (Dealing with Politicians IS the War on Terror.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

With good reason....


380 posted on 12/18/2006 12:00:54 PM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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