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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread (?) Monday Dec 18th, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com | 12-18-2006

Posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie

On Sunday's Meet the Depressed Mr Newt stuck his whole head in it once again. He said we needed to send 500,000 troops to Iraq. Some questions for Mr Newt

Hey Newt, We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam at the height of our involvement. How did that work out for us?

Curious, where are you going to get the 500,000 troops for Iraq? How long do they stay? What are they going to be doing?

Gee Newt, I guess I missed the part of your Resume that covered your military background. Which Staff Schools did YOU attend Newt?

Newt has become a perfect machine politician. He simply is picking up on what the DC Political-Media complex wants to hear and saying it. He and McCain are basically the singing the same one note DC Marching song. This way both of them can placate the Right by saying "See we are supporting the troops" and still suck up to the DC noise machine by being against how the Iraq mission is being run by the President.

It is short attention span theater time again. The American people simply lack the emotional or intellectually discipline to face anything that requires sustained effort. So as usually the political snake oil salesmen are crawling out of the slime with the usual simplistic answers and easy fixes. Only problem is what they are trying to selling on Iraq is pure poison. The DC "Conventional Wisdom" on Iraq is, as usual, neither conventional nor wisdom

What Newt SHOULD be doing is listening to what Gen Abizaid told the US Senate when he came back from Iraq to testify to the US Senate in mid November. Newt should become Gen Abizaid's standard bearer. Position himself as the guy covering our troops back from the idiots in DC who STILL have learned nothing since LBJ screwed up "Nam.

For example, Newt could be raising the point that when asked specifically about troop levels by Sen McCain, Gen Abizaid (who only happens to be the actual commander on the Ground in Iraq) all but told McCain he is an utter idiot on Iraq. Gen Abizaid made it clear he did NOT need more troops. Newt should cut himself out of the 2008 pack by being the sane serious voice on Iraq backing up the Military rather then merely howling after the Junk Media pack. This "More Troops" propaganda line is both stupid political strategy and stupid military strategy.

There are 4 reasons why too many troops can be as bad as too few troops in a Counter Insurgency Mission.

Retardation, Marginalization, Friction and Unrealistic expectations.

Too many troops retards the locals efforts to develop their own military/political structure to govern . It takes time and effort to train and blood troops. It especially takes time to train up the cadre to run a serious military. Good NCOs and Officers are not born, they are made. This was on of the major US mistakes in Vietnam. It was easier to just have the US troops take over doing everything then work through the leaning curve of the locals. Problem was once the US no longer had the political will to carry on the mission they simply dumped the problem on an under developed Vietnamese political/military structure.

There is this odd American arrogance that seem to think ONLY Americans can do anything. Everyone else is incompetent and or corrupt. Only problem is the American public, like most spoiled brats, lacks the emotional or mental discipline to stick with unpleasant difficult tasks. Too many US troops would simply retards all efforts to get the locals to the point they can contain or break the Insurgents for themselves then when the petulant American people simply decided they wanted us to go home, there would be no one to pick up the bat for us.

Too many troops also marginalizes efforts to develop a counter political structure strong enough to break or contain the Insurgency. It deligitmizes the locals efforts and makes them simply look as lackeys of the occupying power. Having the US run everything marginalizes the political credibility of the local political structure and spurs the Insurgents propaganda and recruitment efforts.

The more troops the more friction with the locals. Face it, having a bunch of hyper aggressive mostly young mostly male Americans suddenly descend on you town is NO ones idea of a good time. Even in our own military towns there is a lot of friction between the locals and the military. Think how much worse that would be in an alien culture with a living memory of being a colony in everything but name? A heavily armed society with an exaggerated sense of male empowerment? Basically you have two aggressive testosterone drive heavily armed dominate male groups in close proximity.

Unrealistic Expectations. Send a lot troop and the expectation is you can quickly and easily solve all problems and bring the boys home. No, not in a Counter Insurgency. Counter Insurgency is evolutionary, not revolutionary. It takes time and lots of back breaking effort.. Sending a whole lot of troops simply exhausted your fiscal and military resources faster.

There are other things such as the added friction both on the locals and the US forces of having heavily armed, under trained conventional troops performing close combat operations in civilian areas. The counter productive results of a "kill people and wreck stuff" Conventional mentality in dealing with a Asymmetrical threat etc etc etc.

Frankly the DC Noise machine should simply shut up and get out of the US Military's way. They studied Vietnam hard and actually have the right answers here. As in Vietnam, the problem here is the "Washington Knows Best" mentality of the entrenched political media power structure who simply will sacrifice anything and anyone to avoid having to admit GW Bush has been right about Iraq all along.


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To: aligncare

No way. One game a time. LOL.


141 posted on 12/18/2006 9:54:54 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: OldFriend

At the minute opinion seems to be split on whether this guy is the actual killer or some local numpty.
Should become clearer in the next few days.


142 posted on 12/18/2006 9:55:31 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: Dr.Deth

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143 posted on 12/18/2006 9:55:41 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: LibertyLee

NFC is the worst i have ever seen.


144 posted on 12/18/2006 9:56:03 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MaestroLC

I accidentally watched some of the CNN program yesterday covering Time's selection process.

It was a bunch of Liberals sitting bashing anything to do with Bush, Cheny, Rummy, etc. There was no view from the right, or the middle, for that matter.


145 posted on 12/18/2006 9:56:08 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The Jaguars are now "on the bubble"...We need to beat New England at home and the Cheaps in Arrowhead and need help by someone knocking off either Denver or Cincinnatii...
146 posted on 12/18/2006 9:56:41 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: LibertyLee

THey handed the Cowgirls their hat last week, and just kept rubbing it in until the end.


147 posted on 12/18/2006 9:56:48 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: MarkLevinFan

The Philadelphia Eagles have lift off. Good to get hot at the right time. See you at the Super Bowl!


148 posted on 12/18/2006 9:57:56 AM PST by globalwhiplash (so sad)
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To: Sensei Ern
Spiritual intervention, perhaps?
149 posted on 12/18/2006 9:58:13 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: Sensei Ern

Every man's way is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart. (Proverbs 21:2)


150 posted on 12/18/2006 9:58:37 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The two conferences are more like the original AFL/NFL wars when Lamar Hunt was running the leagues...AFC are lighter but more accurate; NFC are the heavy toughs who can pound it out ponderously. Stats-wize no question the AFC has better teams...Still, the Bears, Giants, Philadelphia, Carolina can knock anyone out on any given Sunday. Hard to say...
151 posted on 12/18/2006 9:59:35 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Exactly


152 posted on 12/18/2006 10:00:10 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: globalwhiplash

Yeah, but aren't the Eagles playing with their second string QB?...and an older one at that.


153 posted on 12/18/2006 10:01:18 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: globalwhiplash
The Philadelphia Eagles have lift off. Good to get hot at the right time. See you at the Super Bowl!

Well, I wouldn't get carried away! McNabb might get healthy and rejoin the team! That would ruin all their chances!

154 posted on 12/18/2006 10:01:42 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: aligncare

Garcia was great.


155 posted on 12/18/2006 10:01:56 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: aligncare

Has this turned into a football thread? I'm contemplating laying down "Chick Law."


156 posted on 12/18/2006 10:02:13 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: LibertyLee

The reason i say that is, the NFC has a bunch of 6-9 teams fighting a a wild card spot.


157 posted on 12/18/2006 10:02:22 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: beyond the sea

Everyone has an off day...LOL!


158 posted on 12/18/2006 10:02:40 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: aligncare
Yeah, but aren't the Eagles playing with their second string QB?...and an older one at that.

Yes, thank goodness! My prayers were answered!

159 posted on 12/18/2006 10:02:56 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: Sensei Ern
THey handed the Cowgirls their hat last week, and just kept rubbing it in until the end.

Yes, they did, but Romo had a bad day...he's still a kid and doesn't have the consistently yet. The Ain'ts don't convince me yet.

160 posted on 12/18/2006 10:03:07 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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