[arnoldfwilliams]

That they paint this essential lawlessness up in terms of their needs or their motivations is really only a way to whitewash the issue, for such introduces the concept of social justice and applies it to those who are––by the very terms of their entrance––outside of our laws.

The fact that they can be arrested for crimes, just as you can for speeding in your car? When was the last time you were dragged off to jail for going 30mph in a 25 zone?

I'd invite you to think a bit harder about what you said.

[Rurudyne]

I'm not saying that we don't already have a problem with lawlessness among those who are citizens or who are lawfully here; but, I am saying that when a demographic group is accepting of the idea that laws––especially laws which are actually quite important and not arbitrary–– they don't feel they should have to obey are laws that they don't have to obey ... this is a problem.

I'm glad you brought this up.

Really, their motivations and justifications do not matter: no more than those of a shop lifter or someone who recklessly speeds through a school zone.

There is a law they don't feel they should obey and so they don't obey it.

The laws they disobey are the very laws which would give them proper status before our laws and properly place them within our social contract by which we are governed.

They are called "illegal immigrants" for precisely this reason.

That they are here the way they are here: there is in fact NOTHING they can lawfully do ... except possibly leave as quickly as they can.

This is true even if they otherwise behave in a perfectly lawful manner once they are here.