'Mommy, why are atheists dim-witted?'

Jerusalem Post ^ | 12-18-06 | JONATHAN ROSENBLUM

[SaveTheChief]

Southpark definitely nailed him to the wall in "Cartman In The 23rd Century".

Oh my science!

[tacticalogic]

Obviously. But you've submitted that particular quote from that particular scientist "says it best", so I considered it in that context.

[tacticalogic]

Obviously. But you've submitted that particular quote from that particular scientist "says it best", so I considered it in that context.

[LiberalGunNut]

"Have the flies changed to birds?"

The theory of evolution does not state that flies changed into birds. A certain amount of logic is needed to understand science.

No one has ever seen an atom or molecule. Do you believe they don't exist?

[Elsie]

Reasonable Christian stuff...

 

 

NIV Job 2:3
  Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."

 

NIV Isaiah 1:18
   "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.

 

NIV John 18:37
   "You are a king, then!" said Pilate.   Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."

 

NIV Acts 17:2-3
 2.  As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
 3.  explaining and proving that the Christ  had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ, " he said.

 

NIV Acts 17:17
   So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.

 

 

NIV Acts 18:4
  Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

 

NIV Acts 18:19
  They arrived at Ephesus, where Paul left Priscilla and Aquila. He himself went into the synagogue and reasoned with the Jews.

 

NIV Acts 26:25
   "I am not insane, most excellent Festus," Paul replied. "What I am saying is true and reasonable.

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 13:11
   When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

[Elsie]

Then what HAVE the flies changed into?

[jwalsh07]

You're missing the point.

I don't think so Liberal. The point here is to discuss the article or in this case to give Mr Dawkins a little comeuppance.

I am SEPERATING evolution and abiogenesis. This all started when a previous poster combined the two.

I understand that, you accept the first replicator as axiomatic. It's a faith thing.

Let me say once more EVOLUTION DOES NOT DEPEND ON ABIOGENESIS. That is my point.

Evolution depends on replicators. No heritability, no mutations, no evolution. Period. So to say that abiogenesis is the source of the first replicator and then say that evolution does not depend on abiogenesis is kind of silly.

Life IS MADE UP OF NON-LIVING ELEMENTS. Do you not agree that we are made of Carbon and a few other assorted elements?

Certainly.

Do you not agree that carbon is non living matter?

Carbon is an element so yeah, I'd say that's a nobrainer. Are we going anywhere here? :-}

But hey, I haven't heard a totally convincing theory of the origin of life.

There is no "theory" on the OOL which is why you haven't heard one. Speculation abounds but like I said "abiogenesis" is unfalsifiable. But feel free, tell me how one would falsify that "theory".

I am open to the fact that a supernatural being created the first cell. (I doubt that it would be the same as the one depicted in the Hebrew bible).

That's fine, it's a free country.

But once life got here, the overwhelming mountain of evidence points to the Theory of Evolution.

Evolution happens, intelligent design as a mechanism to change allele frequency also happens. Such is life on the third rock.

Do you believe in the Judaeo Christian creation story as depicted in The Bible?

I believe exactly what Genesis 1:1 says.

Do you believe that earth is 6'000 years old?

No.

I'd love to pick that apart as you all are vainly attempting to pick apart evolution.

Pick away!

[tacticalogic]

Well, either they haven't or you're talking about legislating which gods we should and shouldn't be talking about. Or maybe you're just trying to bait me into saying something intemperate. Lots of unknowns right now. Of course with some indeterminate number of anti-christs among us, there seem to be no end of possibilities.

[dan1123]

Oh, I get your misunderstanding. Max Planck, being foremost in quantum physics, was saying that out of frustration with the scientific community which held to the classical model. He was saying in the quote that scientific progress was not made by individual scientists, but intergenerationally.

[LiberalGunNut]

Look, read the thread, I already explained the observed evolution in fruit flies. Do you want me to type it all over again?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

[dan1123]

Don't bother posting the documented speciation events. Aside from attacking the category of species, and whether or not there really was a speciation, creationists will not be happy until a significant percentage of macro-evolution is repeated in the lab. They don't want to see DNA changes, they want to see a bacteria change to a lizard.

[tacticalogic]

Oh, I get your misunderstanding. Max Planck, being foremost in quantum physics, was saying that out of frustration with the scientific community which held to the classical model. He was saying in the quote that scientific progress was not made by individual scientists, but intergenerationally.

I get that. What I don't get is the assertion that this particular quote, made out of frustration and taken out of context, should be taken as the best possible reference to assess scientific theory in general.

[presently no screen name]

you're talking about legislating which gods we should and shouldn't be talking about

Where you getting your 'thoughts/spin' from?

[jwalsh07]

For the record, I don't belive that atheists and/or near atehists are "dim witted" as a group, though there are always some in any group that have their moments.

[shuckmaster]

At least here at FreeRepublic, you can have a discussion about science. Which, based on my limited acquaintance with Darwin Central (just lurking), is not something that happens around there very often.

Jeez Betty, what were you smoking when you made this comment? Discussions about science on FR lead to countless unexplained bannings and deletions as well as a notable high profile sneaky homepage removal from the member who handled the evolution ping list. It's to the point where Freep conservatives who want to discuss science from a pro-scientific stance have to either dance on their tiptoes with a sword at their neck or go to Darwin Central to carry on a conversation and find old friends.

[tacticalogic]

Your assesment of what we should and should not be discussing.

[LiberalGunNut]

(Evolution depends on replicators. No heritability, no mutations, no evolution. Period. So to say that abiogenesis is the source of the first replicator and then say that evolution does not depend on abiogenesis is kind of silly.)

Ok, read this carefully. It doesn't matter how the first "replicator" appeared. Why is that so hard to grasp? The evidence says OJ killed Nicole, how OJ came into existence has no bearing on that theory!

If the first living cell came from outer space, show me how that tears down the Theory of Evolution.

If the first living cell was poofed into existence by Odin, show me how that tears down the Theory of Evolution.

"Evolution happens, intelligent design as a mechanism to change allele frequency also happens. Such is life on the third rock."

SHow me evidence that an intelligent designer is the mechanism for a change in allele frequency. (and not evidence from the bible please).

But I am glad you acknowledge evolution!

"I believe exactly what Genesis 1:1 says."

Show me how the Genesis creation account is more plausible than the Mayan creation story. Here it is so you don't have to look it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_creation_accounts

Or the Ugandan creation story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_legend_of_Kintu

Or the Japanese creation story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izanagi

[tutstar]

ping...

[jwalsh07]

SHow me evidence that an intelligent designer is the mechanism for a change in allele frequency.

If I do this will you promise to to be kind to creationists of all stripes as penance for being ignorant of the science?

[metmom]

I dont have the ability to digest synthetic material, do you?

Sure humans do. People eat at McDonalds and KFC all the time.