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To: LiberalGunNut
You're missing the point.

I don't think so Liberal. The point here is to discuss the article or in this case to give Mr Dawkins a little comeuppance.

I am SEPERATING evolution and abiogenesis. This all started when a previous poster combined the two.

I understand that, you accept the first replicator as axiomatic. It's a faith thing.

Let me say once more EVOLUTION DOES NOT DEPEND ON ABIOGENESIS. That is my point.

Evolution depends on replicators. No heritability, no mutations, no evolution. Period. So to say that abiogenesis is the source of the first replicator and then say that evolution does not depend on abiogenesis is kind of silly.

Life IS MADE UP OF NON-LIVING ELEMENTS. Do you not agree that we are made of Carbon and a few other assorted elements?

Certainly.

Do you not agree that carbon is non living matter?

Carbon is an element so yeah, I'd say that's a nobrainer. Are we going anywhere here? :-}

But hey, I haven't heard a totally convincing theory of the origin of life.

There is no "theory" on the OOL which is why you haven't heard one. Speculation abounds but like I said "abiogenesis" is unfalsifiable. But feel free, tell me how one would falsify that "theory".

I am open to the fact that a supernatural being created the first cell. (I doubt that it would be the same as the one depicted in the Hebrew bible).

That's fine, it's a free country.

But once life got here, the overwhelming mountain of evidence points to the Theory of Evolution.

Evolution happens, intelligent design as a mechanism to change allele frequency also happens. Such is life on the third rock.

Do you believe in the Judaeo Christian creation story as depicted in The Bible?

I believe exactly what Genesis 1:1 says.

Do you believe that earth is 6'000 years old?

No.

I'd love to pick that apart as you all are vainly attempting to pick apart evolution.

Pick away!

267 posted on 12/18/2006 4:34:36 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

(Evolution depends on replicators. No heritability, no mutations, no evolution. Period. So to say that abiogenesis is the source of the first replicator and then say that evolution does not depend on abiogenesis is kind of silly.)

Ok, read this carefully. It doesn't matter how the first "replicator" appeared. Why is that so hard to grasp? The evidence says OJ killed Nicole, how OJ came into existence has no bearing on that theory!

If the first living cell came from outer space, show me how that tears down the Theory of Evolution.

If the first living cell was poofed into existence by Odin, show me how that tears down the Theory of Evolution.

"Evolution happens, intelligent design as a mechanism to change allele frequency also happens. Such is life on the third rock."

SHow me evidence that an intelligent designer is the mechanism for a change in allele frequency. (and not evidence from the bible please).

But I am glad you acknowledge evolution!

"I believe exactly what Genesis 1:1 says."

Show me how the Genesis creation account is more plausible than the Mayan creation story. Here it is so you don't have to look it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_creation_accounts

Or the Ugandan creation story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_legend_of_Kintu

Or the Japanese creation story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izanagi




277 posted on 12/18/2006 4:57:42 PM PST by LiberalGunNut
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