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Fox reporting one snow climber found (Deceased)

Posted on 12/17/2006 3:43:18 PM PST by ConservativeMan55

One climber found dead on Mt. Hood


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: climber; kellyjames; mountaineering; mounthood; mthood; oregon
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To: Jezebelle

"I don't think they should be prosecuted, but they should be billed for the expense"

Why don't you go back and compute that cost, and return to this thread once you've come up with a defensable figure.

Thanks for your "input".


261 posted on 12/18/2006 4:26:52 AM PST by angkor
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To: Rushmore Rocks

"being at the top of Mt. Whitney and Mt. Rainier was the closest he came to touching God"

Gazing at Mt. Everest with my own eyes from 18,500 feet was something more than earthly. I was transfixed and speechless for almost an hour.

Climbers, hikers, mountaineers, and trekkers are all rewarded with that same feeling of closeness to the spirit, which most call God.


262 posted on 12/18/2006 4:37:13 AM PST by angkor
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To: Dark Skies

There is no nobility in dying from stupidity - dying for nothing, and hurting your family in the process, and also causing others to risk their lives.

Not all people have to take serious risks with their lives in order to feel alive.

You say he was a fighter. Fighter of what? A self-created disaster? Other than ego-stroking and/or personal gratification, what benefit would he derive had his climb been successful? What benefit does his family derive from his unecessary and completely avoidable death?


263 posted on 12/18/2006 4:37:55 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: angkor; Jezebelle
Why don't you go back and compute that cost, and return to this thread once you've come up with a defensable figure

You, anchor, are being a jerk. You're asking for information that is not available to the general public (ie total number of hours spent) but is readily available to the agencies engaged in the rescue operation, but I'll tell you how to calculate it. Bill the SAR workers' time at $20/hour. Bill the helo time at $1400 an hour, bill any ground vehicles at $.47 per mile; multiply the number of hours spent, miles driven, etc by the appropriate dollar amount and add it up - not a particularly difficult task if you have the records, which I'm sure the agencies involved do.

264 posted on 12/18/2006 4:38:32 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

"Why is it MY responsibility when they take on this risk?"

It isn't.

I suggest you get a law passed banning use of public funds for SAR activities.

The mountain rescue teams will still operate, and still go after "stupid" mountaineers, since they are private 501(c)3 non-profit organizations composed of volunteers. They'll operate as they always have, sans state or local public involvement.

But don't expect these non-governmental SAR teams to participate in your "government-authorized" rescues of "paying customers". They're under no obligation to do so.


265 posted on 12/18/2006 4:47:00 AM PST by angkor
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To: from occupied ga

But it's all worth the thrill they get at playing fast and loose so they can get that adrenaline rush from the danger of experiencing living on the alluring "edge."

It kind of reminds me of these homosexuals who refuse to wear condoms because of the thrill they get at the danger of contracting AIDS by having unprotected sex. They have said that very thing and now they have special orgies for them. I think they're called "bug chasers."


266 posted on 12/18/2006 4:48:36 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

I didn't mean to compare the two as equal in their origin, only in the response of people. It is just what we do.


267 posted on 12/18/2006 4:49:31 AM PST by helen crump
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To: angkor

Because I don't feel like it, that's why. It's a lot of money to be sure. The exact sum isn't important to this conversation.


268 posted on 12/18/2006 4:51:22 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: proud_yank

"Climbing season in the Himalayas is not in the winter though. Typically it is April through early May."

Not so. Lesser peaks like Pumo Ri, Island Peak, Ama Dablam (all within spitting distance of Everest) are regularly climbed beginning in November, at the conclusion of the monsoon season.


269 posted on 12/18/2006 4:52:21 AM PST by angkor
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To: little-e
He just climbed Kilimanjaro earlier this summer

Sounds like he might be a trekker. The endurance needed is similar to climbing, but I don't think trekking is as dangerous.

270 posted on 12/18/2006 4:57:27 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: angkor

Maybe not from a technical standpoint of the climb, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about wisdom and judgment. A fall on a slippery surface is predictable. A fall can cause an injury that prevents the injured from negotiating further slippery surfaces, also predictable. Sudden blizzards with hurricane force winds dropping temperatures to considerably below zero during December on that slope and summit was also predictable. Therefore, getting stranded on a steep, slippery slope at a high elevation where hurricane force winds and sub-zero temperatures was all predictable. The question then becomes is the thrill worth the risk of death? They obviously thought it was because they derive thrills from it, and that seemed more important than death to them, or perhaps he thought, "Nah, won't happen. Everything will be fine." Therein lies the lack of wisdom and judgment, which includes gross inconsideration of loved ones. I wonder if as Kelly came to the knowledge that he was going to die, he may have had second thoughts about how good an idea it really was when all was said and done, for his family, for himself......for eternity.

You may think him brave and his actions admirable somehow. I simply view him as selfish and foolish.

But whichever the case, may he rest in peace, and God bless his grieving family and friends.


271 posted on 12/18/2006 5:04:55 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: helen crump

I see. Got it.


272 posted on 12/18/2006 5:05:42 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle
LOL! Larry King is Jewish and a lefty from way back, and a pretty dumb one at that. It's no wonder he was speechless.

*grin*

Yep, it was very strange to watch. You could almost hear King contemplating his best response, then just deciding to ignore the comment altogether.

273 posted on 12/18/2006 5:11:50 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Past Your Eyes
By being stupid.

I am tired of all the judgemental couch potatoes who sit around clucking like a bunch of hens.

These guys were experienced climbers doing what they loved. They have no doubt experienced more in a week than most people do in several lifetimes.

I am sorry for their families and I know these men would not have chosen to die, but they were doing what they loved and they knew the risks. They may have made mistakes, but they were not being stupid.

274 posted on 12/18/2006 5:12:30 AM PST by cerberus
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To: Jezebelle

"It kind of reminds me of these homosexuals who refuse to wear condoms because of the thrill they get at the danger of contracting AIDS by having unprotected sex. They have said that very thing and now they have special orgies for them. I think they're called "bug chasers."


Just when you think you're read it all...


275 posted on 12/18/2006 5:12:47 AM PST by Raebie
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To: Jezebelle
But it's all worth the thrill they get at playing fast and loose so they can get that adrenaline rush from the danger of experiencing living on the alluring "edge."

They can do what they want, but I get just as much "real living" by doing stuff with my kid, and I don't obligate the taxpayers to put up a big wad of cash if my activities don't go as planned.

I have a further theory that these people live on the "phoney edge" That they engage in risky behavior, but with the expectation that nothing will really happen to them. When it does, it comes as a big surprise to them and they expect everyone to dive in and bail them out.

276 posted on 12/18/2006 5:12:50 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Jezebelle
You better not fly choppers over snowy mountains, sounds like self gratification and unnecessary risk taking to me. Since we don't have wings maybe God doesn't want humans to fly.

Same with any other sport thats risky or even driving a car to a favorite restaurant because its all just ego and/or personal gratification/exhilaration at great risk to yourself and the happiness and future of your loved ones.
277 posted on 12/18/2006 5:18:44 AM PST by ocean
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To: ocean

That's one of the dumber posts on this thread.

But please, don't stop now. Follow your rambling to its logical conclusion: don't have children because you might have to drive them somewhere and that's taking a risk.


278 posted on 12/18/2006 5:23:52 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: from occupied ga

Agreed.


279 posted on 12/18/2006 5:24:42 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Raebie

It was tongue-in-cheek. ;>


280 posted on 12/18/2006 5:25:33 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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