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To: Jemian
Please forgive my having to post such an uncharitable view of Islam on Sunday morning, but I didn't write the Koran, the hadith, ad nauseam. And this is Sunday morning.

Before I do the unavoidable deconstruction of a paragraph posted by you, it is time to point out that the thousand years of murder in the Islamic areas is best understood in terms such as these:
1. "The Arab understands best power and vengeance."
2. "The Arab is either at your throat or at your feet.
Better he be at your feet."

Googling Churchill's view of Islamic societies, found in his classic The River War, is most enlightening.

"Third, actually evangelize. We have Moslem's in the US living and working. They're in our neighborhoods. Have you gone to visit them? Have you established a relationship with them? Are you seeking to convert your unsaved neighbor? My guess is no. I really think God has brought them to the US so we will evangelize them. We do a poor job of sending evangelists to them so God brings them to us. He actually loves those heathen! Can you believe it? Perhaps God doesn't know they lop off the heads of the good guys and don't deserve to go to heaven. He wants them to hear about Jesus. We should obey.

Given the Muslin concepts of tarquayya and kitman (holy hypocrisy), anything a Muslim tells a non-Muslim is of most questionable reliability. Judeo-Christian cultures are virtually alone in demanding truthfulness of their believers.

When a Muslim is allowed, even required to lie to the unbeliever, American style conversation is impossible.

Muslims came to the USA because of a sloppy immigration policy. Surely you are not confusing G*g with ICE or The Swimmer?

Sending evangelists to Islamic areas results in the evangelists being beaten, imprisoned, tortured, being killed, or all of the above. What have your fellow Christians done to you that you would send them to such a certain fate?

As a Christian, one believes God to be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenelovent. I wonder how you can postulate that G*d doesn't know about Muslim head lopping, and the rest of a long list assorted, sordid forbidden behaviors?

As I remember, Jesus walked the Middle East, his religious forebearers were at Sinai, which I believe was in the Middle East, and descendants of both branches of the Judeo-Christian faith were once numerous in the Middle East until they were killed off by Muslims.

Muslims know about Christians and Jews. They simply made a decision to devote their lives to killing them.

Evil does exist. Islam is evil. So are its believers.

We in the West will have to accept this, learn to live with it, and offer the Muslims a choice. That choice must be -Have a Muslim Reformation and adopt acceptable beliefs OR be killed.

Islam is antithetical to America and the entirity of Judeo-Christian cultures. Only a complete reformation of Islam will make it acceptable.

One last question for you - Given the centrality of holy hypocracy in Islam, can we afford to take their word for anything? If not, either the Islamic cultures or the Judeo-Christian cultures will be left after the religious war we are now in is finished.

I post this not to belittle what you posted, but to point out that we in American have many unjustified beliefs about Islam. Some beliefs are antithetical and can't be reconciled.
111 posted on 12/17/2006 6:44:05 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: GladesGuru
What have your fellow Christians done to you that you would send them to such a certain fate?

In my case, you should change that wording to: what have I done to my fellow Christians that they would send me to such a certain fate. (Hint, hint)

On this sentence ...Perhaps God doesn't know they lop off the heads of the good guys and don't deserve to go to heaven..., apparently I should have used a /s marker. I was being sarcastic to make a point. Of course God knows what the moslems do.

Ecclesiastes says there is a time for war and a time for peace, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time for love and a time for hate. My husband and youngest daughter are working very hard to persuade and convert. My son is in Iraq doing the work that happens when attempts at conversion fail. There is time for aggressive evangelism and a time for engaging the enemy. I have no doubt that if moslems would kill us if they could. It is either them or us. It had better be us.

125 posted on 12/17/2006 12:37:31 PM PST by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ If life were "fair", we'd all go to hell. I'm glad there is grace.)
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