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To: Mrs Ivan

Pretty standard for Democrats.


3 posted on 12/12/2006 10:51:09 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
"Congressman Terry Everett, a Republican and vice-chairman of the House intelligence sub-committee"

But he interviewed a Republican too and he didn't know stuff that the average Freeper knows just by surfing the news each night.

What a bunch of losers. (We are doomed.)
12 posted on 12/12/2006 11:09:56 PM PST by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: All
Pretty standard for Democrats.

Sorry, the cluelessness in Washington, D.C. is nearly universal.

http://public.cq.com/public/20061211_homeland.html

The best argument for needing to understand who’s what in the Middle East is probably the mistaken invasion itself, despite the preponderance of expert opinion that it was a terrible idea — including that of Bush’s father and his advisers. On the day in 2003 when Iraqi mobs toppled the statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad, Bush was said to be unaware of the possibility that a Sunni-Shia civil war could fill the power vacuum, according to a reliable source with good White House connections.

If President Bush and some of his closest associates, not to mention top counterterrorism officials, have demonstrated their own ignorance about who the players are in the Middle East, why should we expect the leaders of the House Intelligence Committee to get it right?

Trent Lott, the veteran Republican senator from Mississippi, said only last September that “It’s hard for Americans, all of us, including me, to understand what’s wrong with these people.”

“Why do they kill people of other religions because of religion?” wondered Lott, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, after a meeting with Bush.

“Why do they hate the Israelis and despise their right to exist? Why do they hate each other? Why do Sunnis kill Shiites? How do they tell the difference?

“They all look the same to me,” Lott said.

30 posted on 12/12/2006 11:57:44 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: A CA Guy

"Pretty standard for Democrats."

Except that the article lists 1 Democrat, 2 Republicans and one Administration appointee.

At any rate I have been giving the question of Sunni vs Shia considerable thought, and here is something that I have not heard discussed to any extent anywhere, although as the "civil war" in Iraq progresses, some are beginning to become somewhat aware of the fundamental problem.

An article posted at FR asked "What is our objective in Iraq."

As a parent whose son spent 8 months in Gulf War I with the 82nd Airborne, and who just came back from 8 months in Afghanistan, this is an important question to me. I was glad that we were going to take out Saddam Hussein, and although no one mentions it, one fine result of this war is that we will never have to deal with his two mentally diseased sons Uday and Qusay. Unfortunately, it appears that many mistakes were made in trying to secure the peace after our lightening "win" on the battlefield.

Now, of course, the whole situation has gotten much more complicated, with a pinch of Lebanon, a cup of Syria, a quart of Iran, and a generous sprinkling of Al Qaida. What no one seems to be focusing on is the fighting that is now going on within the Islamic world. Which is becoming a very ugly stew. Yesterday was a prime example with the execution of a leader and his 3 children as a result of in- fighting between Palistinian factions Hammas and Fatah. Shia Iran assisted us against the Sunni Taliban and Al Qaida. The Sunnis and Druzes of Lebanon have already fought the Shiites. The Shia and Sunni in Iraq are at each other's throats, except the Sunni Kurds who are trying to stay out of it, and probably deserve our support the most. And the Alawites of Syria have their own position which is not necessarily the same as Iran's.

We must RECOGNIZE and STRATEGIZE based on the fact in appears the Islamic world is in about the place the Christian world was in 4 or 5 centuries ago with the conflicts of the Protestant Reformation. Perhaps a useful strategy for us would be to educate the Islamic world on just how deadly and painful those conflicts were. We had the Hundred Years War, the Thirty Years War, the conflicts in England, Scotland and Ireland with Catholicism vs Protestantism, then the Anglican church vs the Presbeterians, Puritans, etc., and many variatons upon thos themes. Surely it would make sense to hold up to the Islamic world the lesson of the millions of Christians who died in those terrible conflicts. If not, Islam will surely endure the same kind of suffering. "Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."

Whether we actually decide to promote this as a strategy or not, if we are not very clear that this is a major factor, we will continue to be fighting the wrong fight in the wrong way.


50 posted on 12/13/2006 2:48:36 AM PST by gleeaikin
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