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To: Uncledave
On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.




The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

READ MORE HERE

4 posted on 12/08/2006 2:40:55 PM PST by NapkinUser (Tom Tancredo for president of the United States of America in 2008!)
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To: NapkinUser

As I have stated on many other threads about the election of Rudy, I will never vote for him for anything, period!


6 posted on 12/08/2006 2:43:30 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: NapkinUser
Thanks for posting those reasons why we should not support Giuliani.
8 posted on 12/08/2006 2:45:48 PM PST by CrawDaddyCA (Tancredo/Paul 2008)
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To: NapkinUser
If the Pubbies continue to cloud the waters with men like Rudy or McCain and think they're going to run a moderate RINO against Hillary, then prepare for a third term of the krintons. Principled conservatives are willing to hand the nation over to the agressive left rather than follow turncoat pretenders at a slower rate into the maw of hell. I don't endorse this course of action, but it is certain to happen. The national GOP better get it's semi-collectivist head out of it's @ss before we go down the tubes.
23 posted on 12/08/2006 3:06:00 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: NapkinUser

A Republican Guiliani President would not do a damn thing about abortion or gun control. He's not that stupid.


35 posted on 12/08/2006 3:20:47 PM PST by Hildy ("Death plucks my ear and says - LIVE - I am coming.....")
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To: NapkinUser

If Rudy will fight the freaking War on Terror and work on Federal Spending, I'll forgive an awful lot. I despise much of what he seems to stand for, but we're not likely to get a perfect, or even really good candidate.


43 posted on 12/08/2006 3:38:14 PM PST by Little Ray
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To: NapkinUser

Go ahead attack rudy...but if hes the nominee, youre only insuring a HILLARY Victory !!!!!!!!!! Did you learn nothing in 2006?????????????


62 posted on 12/08/2006 4:52:12 PM PST by LC HOGHEAD (ROPE .... TREE .... JOURNALIST .....some assembly required.)
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To: NapkinUser

You have been here a little over a year and you are the expert I see. Noticed that the vast majority of the hate Rudy crowd signed up in 2004 and later! Amazing how relative newbies know what is best for the Republican Party.

How many hours did you volunteer in 2004 or 2006 for Republican candidates?


67 posted on 12/08/2006 5:31:27 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Big 12 Champions! Rudy 2008)
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To: NapkinUser

Abortion issues are not as close to the top of my list as terrorism is. Rudy will be extremly tough on Islamic Terrorism and that issue overshadows all others in my opinion. we could be facing the end of American civilation as we know if. Other issues will have to wait for now. Islam is on the march and we need someone with balls to be there to stop it ..Rudy is the guy .


104 posted on 12/09/2006 3:23:17 PM PST by sonic109
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