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A Vote for Rudy: Why Giuliani should be president
National Review ^ | 12/18/2006 | Richard Bookhiser

Posted on 12/08/2006 2:36:29 PM PST by Uncledave

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To: ecurbh

Ok that's good to know, but it puts him at odds with me on a whole host of issues, ones that I can not vote for a Non-Reaganite on..Including Abortion, homosexuality, Guns, Etc... and he will have the power to sign and propose (at least figuratively) legislation!


81 posted on 12/08/2006 6:30:34 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com)
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To: Uncledave
An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.
Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.
Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

This is why I'm against him

82 posted on 12/08/2006 6:42:25 PM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I don't reckon you'd mind Hilary, either! I'll be damned if I can see much difference!

I bet our troops in the field see a difference. As do our enemies.

83 posted on 12/08/2006 7:27:32 PM PST by inkling
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To: PhiKapMom
Actually, any more, I don't. There is no news, just the same pep-rally hype, as if the sheer volume of posts would convince those of us who are determined to stick to our principles (and our guns) to suddenly have some sort of epiphany and join the Rudy camp...

What a silly MSM tactic.

The 'Rudy or Hillary' big-lie caucus.

If there is a significant segment of the population who would vote for "anyone BUT Hillary", why not play to that group with a conservative candidate and bring the winning crew back under the tent instead of alienate principled conservatives and lose?

No matter how liberal the Republican candidate, no one is going to win over the hardened, true-believer Hillary group, anyway, just alienate a large fraction of the base--our base.

So why not learn from the fact that with a couple of hard-won, targeted exceptions (i.e. Santorum), the Democrats took Congress' swing seats on the basis of seeming more conservative in the critical weeks running up to election day '06 when most voters start to pay attention.

Maybe we could have a 'Rudy' forum, sort of like 'chat', where all the cheerleaders could practice.

84 posted on 12/08/2006 9:00:08 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Cincinna
It seems to me that the people who are the most adamant against Giuliani are the ones who know him the least.

I am a conservative Republican who was born in New York City -- I now live about a half mile from where I was born -- and I can say without hesitation that Giuliani was the single best mayor of my lifetime. And I've lived through Wagner, Lindsay, Beam, Koch, Dinkins and now Bloomberg. Giuliani is not a flaming liberal. He may not consider himself a conservative, but anyone whose policies have Upper West Siders calling him a fascist gets my vote.

85 posted on 12/08/2006 9:10:05 PM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: PhiKapMom

I'll vote for McCain if I have to.
I voted for Arnold for crying out loud.
I just hope to God I don't have to.
The Republican party needs a simple reboot.
Clear out the noise and back to what people sent them there to do in the first place.

My first vote ever cast was for Reagan. I have voted Republican ever since. I am not thrilled with any of the names out there right now. I abhor democrats. Nothing will EVER convince me to vote for them. But we can do far better then McCain or Rudy.
Where are the conservative Governors?
Where are the modern Reaganites?
Has it been so long?


86 posted on 12/08/2006 10:40:33 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: kellynch

Your point is well taken. As a life long NYer I too have seen Rudy first hand and close up.

You can know a man by his enemies. Look who is against Rudy and screaming the loudest : Norman Siegel and the ACLU, terrorist lovers and Arafat supporters etc.

Before dismissing a strong candidate like Rudy, people should at least take a good look, and find out what he actually believes, and where he wants to take the country, instead of relying on the left wing MSM to define him.


87 posted on 12/08/2006 11:38:40 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO " We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good ")
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To: Cincinna

Absolutely! It's McCain who is the Dems' favorite Republican, not Rudy. The Dems HATE Rudy.


88 posted on 12/09/2006 2:34:23 AM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: inkling

Rudy Giuliani is almost precisely what I've been VOTING AGAINST for 40 years. If I have been manuevered into a situation where he is a viable choice, all that tells me is that freedom has as many enemies here, as it does abroad. I won't play the game, any more.


89 posted on 12/09/2006 3:30:49 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: Radix
In this case, I meant to describe the open mouth, or gullet, of Hell. Compared to Europe or any other socialist paradise, America hasn't gone to whole way...yet. Too many Pubbies more than willing to grease the slide, though.
90 posted on 12/09/2006 3:45:34 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: PhiKapMom; Names Ash Housewares
Rino is for people that threaten to stay home and not vote if they don't like a candidate!

You don't get to redefine the terms in this debate. RINO is for those that sport an "R" by their name, when their politics are RAT! Those pushing these RINO's didn't learn much in '06, so I suspect you'll need some more learning in '08. It's your call! Blackbird.

91 posted on 12/09/2006 4:12:14 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Stay out of the Bushes, unless you're RINO hunting!)
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To: kellynch
It seems to me that the people who are the most adamant against Giuliani are the ones who know him the least. I am a conservative Republican who was born in New York City -- I now live about a half mile from where I was born -- and I can say without hesitation that Giuliani was the single best mayor of my lifetime. And I've lived through Wagner, Lindsay, Beam, Koch, Dinkins and now Bloomberg. Giuliani is not a flaming liberal. He may not consider himself a conservative, but anyone whose policies have Upper West Siders calling him a fascist gets my vote.

Very pragmatic, even conservative in your evaluation.

The great conservative scholar Kirk taught that "politics is the art of the possible".

And it is certainly true that conservatism runs through many aspects of a conservative's life, not just politics. Is "intractability" conservative? Perhaps not.

Conservative forces preserve a culture, and even preserve a nation, when they practice sensible politics by conserving their gains, not just making a "grand valiant gesture."

McCain is our next Nixon.

Some one show me one of our vetted guys that can blossum to a winner in the next 120 days.

Make me believe it! Make me believe that he wants it and has the skill to get it.

Until then, this fellow has my grudging support.

92 posted on 12/09/2006 4:22:49 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Hildy
You're words are always so sweet, my love.

Perhaps we should offer national health care and free education and finance our minor cash flow problems through nationalization of key industries? That'd sure whip the daylights out of those wily liberals, huh? Let those dolts on the left continue to use tired old ideas like open religious expression, increased freedoms, tax reduction, 2nd amendment rights and smaller government to sway the ignorant - the fools! Meanwhile, we deeper thinking conservatives will rule the world by casting off those antiquated fables for a new playbook of modern and enlightened socialism!

Yeah, baby! Papa's got a brand new bag!
93 posted on 12/09/2006 4:24:33 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: Uncledave
Giuliani’s first marriage ended with an annulment that was risible even by the standards of the Catholic Church in modern America (he realized, after 14 years, that he and his wife were second cousins).

LOL! One would think that someone at the wedding would have caught that.

94 posted on 12/09/2006 5:00:19 AM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: BlackbirdSST

LOL! FYI -- RINO stands for Republican in Name Only. A lot of folks on here have been called RINO's including myself. I have been a hard working member of THE Republican Party a long time before the people calling names even thought of being Republican.

Those that only use a keyboard to call other Republicans names to push their agenda, don't have a clue!

Spend more time out working in races and a lot of you might change your mind at just who are the RINO's. Trust me it isn't the people do the work for THE Republican Party. NOTE it is not the Republican Conservative Party, it is THE Republican Party.



95 posted on 12/09/2006 10:34:51 AM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Big 12 Champions! Rudy 2008)
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To: Uncledave

Another liberal Republican from NYCity falling down silly in support of Rudy for Prez. Why am I not surprised.


96 posted on 12/09/2006 2:53:08 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: BlackbirdSST
>>>>Rino is for people that threaten to stay home and not vote if they don't like a candidate!

>>>>You don't get to redefine the terms in this debate. RINO is for those that sport an "R" by their name, when their politics are RAT! Those pushing these RINO's didn't learn much in '06, so I suspect you'll need some more learning in '08.

Correctamundo! The bullhorn antics of some RudyRinos is far out of step with the conservative agenda and sounds more like a promotion of liberalism.

Rudy offers conservatives nothing.

97 posted on 12/09/2006 3:02:36 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

They sure are!


98 posted on 12/09/2006 3:11:16 PM PST by JimFreedom (My patience is growing thin)
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To: mariabush
"As I have stated on many other threads about the election of Rudy, I will never vote for him for anything, period!"

Ditto.

99 posted on 12/09/2006 3:12:56 PM PST by Godebert
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To: savedbygrace

They are 100 percenters by the replies they make, and no 100 percenters are not persuadable.


100 posted on 12/09/2006 3:16:05 PM PST by JimFreedom (My patience is growing thin)
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