[jas3]

You're basically reiterating what you previously said. I'm curious though why you seem to think that human suffering is the result of choices made by the designer, rather than the designed.

Is it not obvious to you that a child born with cystic fibrosis was designed badly?

What is free will, if not a choice between consequences that lie in opposition to each other, and how can free exist if these consequences are not available to us.

Is it not equally obvious that a CF child exercised no free will in chosing his condition?

What we do, and the choices we make, affect more than just the person...just as what our ancestors have done and the choices they made, affected more than just them....even as the choices you are making here, based on your propositions, Will affect more than just your own individual judgment.

If the designer created humans such that previous choices that other people have made result in children being born with a genetic defect, then he is chosing to punish the wrong person. Is it not apparent that a child born with his heart outside his body is just a design problem having nothing to do with the choices made by any other human?

jas3

[csense]

s it not obvious to you that a child born with cystic fibrosis was designed badly.

The only thing that is really obvious to me, is that you think it is a design problem.

Look, I think you raise some interesting points here, but in raisng those points, it does not necessarily prompt me to raise my fist in the air and shake it at God.

I don't know why God allows human suffering. All I can do is speculate from my limited vantage point, and hope that these things bring me closer to God, rather than further away...