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65 years later, his questions linger (saw Japanese fleet before Pearl Harbor)
The Gazette ^ | 12/06/06 | Ed Sealover

Posted on 12/07/2006 5:45:29 PM PST by loreldan

Around this time every year, Joe Fenton’s mind wanders back to the preview he had of the destruction that would be unleashed on Pearl Harbor.

Just 17 years old and six months removed from boot camp, Fenton was an oiler on the USS Boise as it escorted five merchant ships carrying air base construction materials across the Pacific to the Philippines. After midnight on the morning of Nov. 28, 1941, the light cruiser’s loudspeakers blared with orders for crew members to man their battle stations.

Fenton scrambled to the deck and saw two dozen ships of unknown origin about 3 miles away on the horizon, heading east. They were

silhouetted by moonlight that would have blinded the fleet to the Boise’s presence.

Greatly outnumbered and under orders to maintain radio silence, the Boise did not fire and did not alert anyone for days to what it had seen.

When the Boise reached Manila, officers alerted members of Gen. Douglas Mac-Arthur’s staff of their find, Fenton said. Their reaction, as he recalled, was: “They’ve got as much right to be in the water as we do.”

It was only when word came down Dec. 7 about the Pearl Harbor attack that Fenton and his shipmates realized they had seen the fleet that brought America into World War II. While the Boise hid by a remote Pacific island after the attack and awaited orders, talk buzzed about what its crew could have done.

That conversation has dimmed today; most crew members have passed away. But Fenton, a retired Colorado Springs plumbing company owner, replays the talk to himself.

“I always think that perhaps we could have prevented the whole thing . . . if we had got the alarm off,” the 82-year-old said last week in his kitchen. “I always think: ‘Maybe I could have prevented this.’ I get real sad about it.”

But he said that thought is followed quickly by the realization that if the Boise had made any move that could have alerted the Japanese it had seen them, the fleet would bombarded it into the pages of history.

“I think the whole picture of World War II would have changed if we had just gotten a radio off,” he added. “But it would have cost my life.”

Memorial events across the country will mark the 65th anniversary today of the early morning raid that killed about 2,500 Americans. Some people will head to Hawaii to honor the occasion; others will gather at local monuments.

Fenton will be in Colorado Springs, surrounded by newspaper clips and medals that mark his Navy service and, later, the Army. His thoughts, though, will be on what he saw in the middle of the ocean.

No one present forgot that moment, which has been little recorded in history. Melvin Howard, a former crewman and current Philadelphia resident who once chaired reunions for the Boise, remembered that everyone on the ship was ready to fire if ordered.

“We never got the word to fire,” Howard said. “And it’s a good thing we didn’t, because they would have blown us out of the water.”

Once America entered the war, the Boise made 14 landings in the Pacific and in Europe, fought in the Battle of Guadalcanal and served as a scout vessel before the famed Doolittle Raid on Tokyo.

The Boise earned its greatest accolades by sinking six Japanese ships in 27 minutes off Cape Esperance in 1942. Despite a shell crashing through a part of the ship in which he was working, Fenton, who fed oil into boilers and later was a ship engineer, remembers staying calm.

His mother, who raised him in Denver, saved newspaper articles about the ship and gave them to him in a scrapbook when he returned. Fenton also kept a diary during his service, and he typed it up in recent years to preserve it.

“Did not know what was going on, we were not at war, the ships all stopped and our gun turrets all trained to our port side,” he wrote of the November 1941 sighting. “That makes you wish you had gone to the bathroom a little earlier.”

After being transferred to the Army and serving a short stint in Asia during the Korean War, Fenton started a business in Colorado Springs. He ran Fenton Plumbing and Heating until retirement in 1982, when he passed the company on to his son.

He stops there for coffee every once in a while, and he carves wood figures for his family and friends. Twice widowed, the decorated veteran spends every Friday night dining and dancing at the Veterans of Foreign Wars post with his girlfriend.

Late 1941 is not that far away, though. Any mention of Pearl Harbor sparks thoughts of that day, and any thought about what he saw leads him to think even more about what could have occurred.

“They made no hostile moves to us,” Fenton said. “It was like two strangers passing in the night. We weren’t going to initiate the firing. There was no way we could have survived that.”


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KEYWORDS: pearlharbor; veterans; worldwarii
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Interesting.
1 posted on 12/07/2006 5:45:32 PM PST by loreldan
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To: loreldan

Interesting, but kind of silly. They did the right thing, and they DID get word to the chain of command, but the word still didn't get spread. And at the time, they had no idea what it meant that the fleet was out -- hindsight always makes things so much clearer.


2 posted on 12/07/2006 5:52:41 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: loreldan
As much as I appreciate Mr. Fenton's service and devotion to his duty, I sincerely doubt that anything he, or his mates, could have done would have altered a thing. The Japanese would have annihilated them and continued on their way. America, for it's part, would have snored on in the stupor of peace until the bombs fell. The gub'mint and the military had plenty of clues, warnings, prognostications and hard evidence that the attack was coming and imminent. Even so, they did nothing. Sad, but true. Only once the dream of peace was shattered did we begin to take things seriously.

For whatever time you have left, Sir, enjoy your well earned peace and rest with the family you have today.
3 posted on 12/07/2006 5:55:12 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Only once the dream of peace was shattered did we begin to take things seriously.

Fast-forward to the 21st Century...the dream of peace was shattered on 9-11, but unfortunately the dems/liberals in this country continue to fail to take things seriously! And they have the audacity to say that President Bush is dellusional and in denial...

4 posted on 12/07/2006 6:04:56 PM PST by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")
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To: loreldan

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ships/CL/CL-47_Boise.html

They could have fought back pretty hard. But I understand why they did not break radio silence.


5 posted on 12/07/2006 6:05:17 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Ramius

fascinating story


6 posted on 12/07/2006 6:10:53 PM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: Blueflag

I guess they didn't have a reason to fight; the war hadn't started yet.


7 posted on 12/07/2006 6:13:28 PM PST by loreldan (Without coffee I am nothing.)
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To: Blueflag

Oh, sorry. Just realized your point was about the radio silence.


8 posted on 12/07/2006 6:14:24 PM PST by loreldan (Without coffee I am nothing.)
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To: Sam Cree

Interesting, but I certainly wouldn't second-guess them at all. This was about ten days before Pearl. In the Phillipines. A large battle group there might have been interesting, but there was no way at all to know about what their intentions were.

In fact, while the attack group may have been underway and ready to move to positions for the attack the following week, I think the final "go / no go" decision for the attack on Pearl hadn't even been made yet. I may be wrong about that. Maybe somebody can calibrate me.


9 posted on 12/07/2006 6:20:27 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: loreldan

Survivors guilt. Many of us can relate.


10 posted on 12/07/2006 6:22:04 PM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: Sam Cree; loreldan
Talk about a 'brush w/ history' - his ship passes within sight of the Japanese fleet on its way to Pearl Harbor, headed to the Phillipines just in time for the invasion there.

Good find, loreldan!

11 posted on 12/07/2006 6:22:34 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Ramius

Yeah, I agree that no one aboard knew what was afoot. But it must have been so spooky to see those Japanese ships. And then to find out later what it had meant.


12 posted on 12/07/2006 6:32:48 PM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Yes, really!


13 posted on 12/07/2006 6:34:07 PM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: loreldan
There was no legal reason to engage, but I do not understand why US forces did not radio immediately.

The Japanese had to maintain radio silence (since they were attacking), NOT the Americans, who were on a routine patrol.

No clear reason for them to have waited until arriving at Manila, especially given the diplomatic atmosphere of they day.

14 posted on 12/07/2006 6:43:40 PM PST by gaijin
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To: loreldan
Can anyone post a summary of the Pearl Harbor assault fleet?

8" guns might have been adequate up close and against destroyers and carriers only....what did they actually face?

15 posted on 12/07/2006 6:48:18 PM PST by norton
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To: Sam Cree

Yup. The inscrutable pressure of history.

I once saw a Soviet submarine on the surface off the coast of Washington. I pointed it out to the OOD, and we both looked at it with the starlight scope (it was the midwatch). It was just sitting there, dark ship, going nowhere. Clearly a Soviet sub. No question.

The OOD suggested that I consider that the report required for such a sighting was about sixty pages. Would require pulling logs and radar histories and then about a week of debrief from the DOD.

I had another look with the starlight scope and dang... that wasn't a soviet sub after all. It must have been a fishing boat. Nevermind.



16 posted on 12/07/2006 6:51:28 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Ramius

Wow!


17 posted on 12/07/2006 6:54:36 PM PST by loreldan (Without coffee I am nothing.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

"And at the time, they had no idea what it meant that the fleet was out "

There was no surprise - thats why only the derelicts of the fleet were in port.


18 posted on 12/07/2006 6:55:03 PM PST by spanalot
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To: norton
First thing I found, from Wiki:

On November 26, 1941, the task force Carrier Striking Task Force with a strength of six aircraft carriers, two battleships, three cruisers, nine destroyers, eight tankers, 23 fleet submarines, five midget submarines, 441 planes commanded by Vice Admiral Chuichi Nagumo left Hitokappu Bay in the Kuril Islands bound for Hawaiʻi under strict radio silence.

Still looking for details of the ships, which was probably what you wre looking for...

19 posted on 12/07/2006 6:55:57 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: gaijin

"The Japanese had to maintain radio silence (since they were attacking), NOT the Americans, who were on a routine patrol."

Roosevelt ordered the silence ;-)


20 posted on 12/07/2006 6:58:59 PM PST by spanalot
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