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65 years later, his questions linger (saw Japanese fleet before Pearl Harbor)
The Gazette ^ | 12/06/06 | Ed Sealover

Posted on 12/07/2006 5:45:29 PM PST by loreldan

Around this time every year, Joe Fenton’s mind wanders back to the preview he had of the destruction that would be unleashed on Pearl Harbor.

Just 17 years old and six months removed from boot camp, Fenton was an oiler on the USS Boise as it escorted five merchant ships carrying air base construction materials across the Pacific to the Philippines. After midnight on the morning of Nov. 28, 1941, the light cruiser’s loudspeakers blared with orders for crew members to man their battle stations.

Fenton scrambled to the deck and saw two dozen ships of unknown origin about 3 miles away on the horizon, heading east. They were

silhouetted by moonlight that would have blinded the fleet to the Boise’s presence.

Greatly outnumbered and under orders to maintain radio silence, the Boise did not fire and did not alert anyone for days to what it had seen.

When the Boise reached Manila, officers alerted members of Gen. Douglas Mac-Arthur’s staff of their find, Fenton said. Their reaction, as he recalled, was: “They’ve got as much right to be in the water as we do.”

It was only when word came down Dec. 7 about the Pearl Harbor attack that Fenton and his shipmates realized they had seen the fleet that brought America into World War II. While the Boise hid by a remote Pacific island after the attack and awaited orders, talk buzzed about what its crew could have done.

That conversation has dimmed today; most crew members have passed away. But Fenton, a retired Colorado Springs plumbing company owner, replays the talk to himself.

“I always think that perhaps we could have prevented the whole thing . . . if we had got the alarm off,” the 82-year-old said last week in his kitchen. “I always think: ‘Maybe I could have prevented this.’ I get real sad about it.”

But he said that thought is followed quickly by the realization that if the Boise had made any move that could have alerted the Japanese it had seen them, the fleet would bombarded it into the pages of history.

“I think the whole picture of World War II would have changed if we had just gotten a radio off,” he added. “But it would have cost my life.”

Memorial events across the country will mark the 65th anniversary today of the early morning raid that killed about 2,500 Americans. Some people will head to Hawaii to honor the occasion; others will gather at local monuments.

Fenton will be in Colorado Springs, surrounded by newspaper clips and medals that mark his Navy service and, later, the Army. His thoughts, though, will be on what he saw in the middle of the ocean.

No one present forgot that moment, which has been little recorded in history. Melvin Howard, a former crewman and current Philadelphia resident who once chaired reunions for the Boise, remembered that everyone on the ship was ready to fire if ordered.

“We never got the word to fire,” Howard said. “And it’s a good thing we didn’t, because they would have blown us out of the water.”

Once America entered the war, the Boise made 14 landings in the Pacific and in Europe, fought in the Battle of Guadalcanal and served as a scout vessel before the famed Doolittle Raid on Tokyo.

The Boise earned its greatest accolades by sinking six Japanese ships in 27 minutes off Cape Esperance in 1942. Despite a shell crashing through a part of the ship in which he was working, Fenton, who fed oil into boilers and later was a ship engineer, remembers staying calm.

His mother, who raised him in Denver, saved newspaper articles about the ship and gave them to him in a scrapbook when he returned. Fenton also kept a diary during his service, and he typed it up in recent years to preserve it.

“Did not know what was going on, we were not at war, the ships all stopped and our gun turrets all trained to our port side,” he wrote of the November 1941 sighting. “That makes you wish you had gone to the bathroom a little earlier.”

After being transferred to the Army and serving a short stint in Asia during the Korean War, Fenton started a business in Colorado Springs. He ran Fenton Plumbing and Heating until retirement in 1982, when he passed the company on to his son.

He stops there for coffee every once in a while, and he carves wood figures for his family and friends. Twice widowed, the decorated veteran spends every Friday night dining and dancing at the Veterans of Foreign Wars post with his girlfriend.

Late 1941 is not that far away, though. Any mention of Pearl Harbor sparks thoughts of that day, and any thought about what he saw leads him to think even more about what could have occurred.

“They made no hostile moves to us,” Fenton said. “It was like two strangers passing in the night. We weren’t going to initiate the firing. There was no way we could have survived that.”


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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Where was MacArthur during Pearl Harbor? Was he in the Philippines?


101 posted on 12/10/2006 1:47:56 PM PST by exdem2000
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To: exdem2000
Where was MacArthur during Pearl Harbor? Was he in the Philippines?

MacArthur had retired from the U.S. Army and headed the Philippine Defense Department. (The Philippines was an autonomous U.S. trust territory at the time.) He was paid $500,000/year by the Philippine government who were hoping his connections in Washington would be useful in the event of war with Japan, a calculation which paid off handsomely.

After the fall of the Philippines he was recalled to active duty with the U.S. and became Commander-in-Chief in the Pacific, with a rank and role equal to Eisenhower in Europe. (There was one unit in the Pacific he did not command, about whose mission he was kept in the dark: the 509th Composite Bombardment Group.)

102 posted on 12/10/2006 4:09:50 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

... 509th ... Army Air Corps ... Glows in the dark and it ain't a tube radio.


103 posted on 12/11/2006 1:56:22 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: SunkenCiv

Recommend paperback edition ... better ... newer material.


104 posted on 12/11/2006 1:58:13 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: SunkenCiv
Excellent notes section.

Also see his "Pacific War"

Was a co-author with Pineau (Japanese linguist for Morison) and Layton of "And I Was There ..."

Testified briefly at Thurmond/Spence Hearings ...

Now has passed away ...

105 posted on 12/11/2006 2:03:56 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: loreldan

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A rabbi is on a plane with a Korean guy sitting beside him. After a couple of hours, the rabbi leans over to the guy and says, condescendingly, "You know, I've never forgiven you Chinese for what you did at Pearl Harbor." The Korean guy looks up and replies, "What are you talking about?! It was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor. It wasn't the Chinese. And besides, I'm neither Chinese nor Japanese, I'm Korean!" The rabbi says, "Korean, Japanese, Chinese, what's the difference?"

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A while later, after a brief nap, a banana, soup, a pie, a pale ale, and a wine, the audacious, tipsy, obese Korean leans over to the sleepy rabbi and says, "Ah, ahem...you know, I've never forgiven you Jews for sinking the Titanic." The rabbi looks perturbed and says, icily, "Oh, pooh! What do you mean?! The Jews didn't do any such thing! An enormous iceberg sank the Titanic, you abhorrent jerk!" The Korean shushes him and replies, "Iceberg, Rosenberg, Weinberg, so what's the difference?"


106 posted on 12/11/2006 2:05:56 AM PST by Silly ("Dignity is overrated. Go climb a tree." -- The Gospel According to Luke, Chapter 19 - paraphrased)
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To: Silly

LOL!


107 posted on 12/11/2006 8:07:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jamaksin
And, of course, as the US covered its plans to fire-bomb Japanese cities; that planning began in 1940, assuming the use of B-17 and B-24 four-engine bombers.

The US has plans to attack just about every country on the planet. Its called war-gaming.

We have never, ever conducted an intial surprise attack on another country while we were negotiating for peace.

Don't try to equate the treachery of the Japanese to our great nation.

108 posted on 12/13/2006 4:05:14 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: jamaksin
And, of course, as the US covered its plans to fire-bomb Japanese cities; that planning began in 1940, assuming the use of B-17 and B-24 four-engine bombers.

The US has plans to attack just about every country on the planet. Its called war-gaming.

We have never, ever conducted an intial surprise attack on another country while we were negotiating for peace.

Don't try to equate the treachery of the Japanese to our great nation.

109 posted on 12/13/2006 4:05:23 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

My father said that a japanese sub was sited in the harbor a few days before the attack. Everyone know about it

And Dec 6th was a big Christmas party for the officers on the island. Many commanders either didn't make it back to their ships or died in their bunks.


110 posted on 12/13/2006 4:16:36 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Final Countdown - Good movie.


111 posted on 12/13/2006 4:31:46 AM PST by TankerKC (When I think about me, I touch myself.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Um ...

War-Gaming ... as in RAND models and zero-sum thingies?

Lest you forget, the US was a neutral country that was acting illegally.

Suggest you read the Atlantic Charter and Germany's Declaration of War for examples.

As to "surprise attack" on Pearl Harbor ... some people believe that, others do not; if the US was negotiating peace, then the November 26th rejection of the modus vivendi is a bit difficult to explain.

112 posted on 12/13/2006 4:55:45 AM PST by jamaksin
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bump


113 posted on 12/13/2006 5:05:00 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Ready4Freddy
Still looking for details of the ships, which was probably what you wre looking for...

According to the course given in the Wikipedia entry, on November 28th the Japanese fleet would have been in the vicinity of 43N 173E. So unless the Boise was heading for Manila via Alaska she shouldn't have been within a few thousand miles of the Japanese fleet. Sounds like a sea story to me.

114 posted on 12/13/2006 8:48:15 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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