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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Thursday December 7th
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 12-07-2006

Posted on 12/07/2006 8:49:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie

http://billroggio.com/archives/2006/12/the_military_and_the.php

The Military and The Media

The divide grows

FALLUJAH, IRAQ: I've completed the first leg of the journey to Iraq, after having moved through Dubai, Kuwait and Baghdad. I am now at Camp Fallujah. While in Fallujah, I'll embed with a Marine Police Transition Team (PTT) and also meet with the Civil Affairs Group. The next stop will be Ramadi.

The trip - from my front door to Fallujah - took 3 ½ days, accounting for the 8 hour time shift between the East Coast and Iraq. This is remarkable considering Iraq is a war zone. I spent all of 35 minutes in the Green Zone getting my ID badge and another two hours waiting for a flight to Fallujah. Most of the time was spent waiting at military airbases, trying to catch that next flight out on a plane or helicopter.

During my movement to Fallujah, I was on 3 bases and one camp: At Ali Al Salem (Kuwait), BIAP (Baghdad International Airport), Camp Stryker, and LZ Washington (inside the Green Zone).

The travel is long, and it can be boring if you let it get to you. But you're surrounded by a bunch of soldiers, Marines and contractors that are also traveling, many of them alone. They are either coming back from or going on leave, or moving into or out of the region. Most of them are quite friendly and happy to strike up a conversation. This is an interesting time to speak to them, because they are not as engrossed in the daily grind of Iraq as they are when I see them while I'm embedded. Here is a brief overview of some of the discussions I had with those I met while shuttling around Kuwait and Iraq.

Ali Al Salem:

At the transient tent (where you get to sleep and store your gear while waiting), I spoke to an Explosive Ordinance and Demolitions (EOD) contractor. These are the guys that blow up the leftover explosives and munitions from the Saddam era. He told me about how the media isn't telling the full story about the nature of the enemy, and specifically complained about the manipulation and distortion of the Kay report. He said he's run across bunkers and the equipment and chemical precursors to WMD buried in the deserts of western Iraq.

During a smoke break, an Army private discussed his time in Balad. He said mortars (which are blind-fired) are the greatest threat his unit faces. Not IEDs, I asked? Nope. While waiting to board the flight to BIAP, a Marine Major complained about how the progress in western Iraq has virtually gone unnoticed, and was furious over the characterization of the Devlin report on Anbar province. I gave him my card.

BIAP:

I had the pleasure being the only person on the shuttle bus from BIAP to Camp Stryker, and the driver, an Army specialist, struck up a conversation with me. I needed a SIM chip for my cell phone so I could call the States and in Iraq, so he took me across the base on some extremely bumpy roads looking for a place that sold them. During the drive, he explained his forays into Sadr City, how the residents were largely hostile to U.S. forces, and some engagements he's encountered. Yet he spoke admirably of the Iraqi people. He said they were hard working and willing to fight, and hoped we wouldn't abandon the Iraqi people.

We couldn't find an open store that sold the SIM chip, so he kindly offered to give me his as he knew I was desperate. I paid him for the card and a little extra to call home. He said he'll get a new card tomorrow.

Camp Stryker:

While waiting to catch the flight to the Green Zone, I spoke to two Army captains, one who works in Civil Affairs, the other with the Military Transition Teams. Both explained how the situation could look very different based on your job, but that the Iraqi police and Army were making real progress. They said the Iraqis' skills ranged from poor to excellent, but they always saw improvement.

I also overheard an Army specialist sitting behind me curse the media (and I mean curse), saying they didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Iraq. I talked to him, and explained I'm considered a reporter, and that I won't argue with his points. I made him uncomfortable. Had he known I was 'the press' I think he would have kept it to himself.

LZ Washington:

While waiting to manifest on the flight to Fallujah, CNN played a news segment of President Bush announcing there would be no “graceful exit” from Iraq, and that we'd stay until the mission was complete. Two sergeants in the room cheered. Loudly. They then scoffed at the reports from Baghdad, and jeered the balcony reporting.

In nearly every conversation, the soldiers, Marines and contractors expressed they were upset with the coverage of the war in Iraq in general, and the public perception of the daily situation on the ground. They felt the media was there to sensationalize the news, and several stated some reporters were only interested in “blood and guts.” They freely admitted the obstacles in front of them in Iraq. Most recognized that while we are winning the war on the battlefield, albeit with difficulties in some areas, we are losing the information war. They felt the media had abandoned them.

During each conversation, I was left in the awkward situation of having to explain that while, yes, I am wearing a press badge, I'm not 'one of them.' I used descriptions like 'independent journalist' or 'blogger' in an attempt to separate myself from the pack.

What a terrible situation to be in, having to defend yourself because of your profession. I've always said that the hardest thing about embedding (besides leaving my family) is wearing the badge that says 'PRESS.' That hasn't changed. I hide the badge whenever I can get away with it.

This isn't the first time I encountered this sentiment from the troops. I experienced this attitude from the Marines while I was in western Iraq last year, and the soldiers in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan also expressed frustration with the media's presentation of the war.

Perhaps this tension between the media and the military is nothing new. But it appalls me none the less.


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To: ChicagoConservative27

RWI will tell you...don't get me started!
If I want to turn on my TV at ANY point during the year, I have to pay £126 or I am in violation of the law and can, (theoretically), go to jail. This occurs whether I watch BBC or a private channel.

Even if I don't have a TV, they still get some of my tax money.


161 posted on 12/07/2006 10:23:36 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

"Well Maggie, we're just going to have to kick their a$$es!"


162 posted on 12/07/2006 10:23:41 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: UKRaddell

Caller makes no point ALERT!


163 posted on 12/07/2006 10:24:05 AM PST by hattend (Carpe Macaca)
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To: UKRaddell

That is crazy. UK socialism is nuts.


164 posted on 12/07/2006 10:24:20 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
...and FR is show prep for Rush!

The ultimate compliment to FR!
165 posted on 12/07/2006 10:24:46 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I cant get the "talk to the terrorists" song out of my head today....

http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/New/ifwecouldtalk.asx


166 posted on 12/07/2006 10:24:54 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: ChicagoConservative27
How about we compile our own list and send it to the President. We can't be any less brain-dead than some in the ISG.

Here are a few to start off:

1) Hang Saddam tomorrow.
2) Take out Al-Sadr.
3) Call for a Sunni-Shia cease fire.
4) Call in air strikes and Tomahawk strikes in Iran and Syria. Tell them that strikes will continue until their soldiers are removed from Iraq.

Please add more....
167 posted on 12/07/2006 10:24:54 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

He is smart in one respect.
He earns £100,000 per year for working on a channel (BBC News 24) that nobody watches.
Ain't public broadcasting grand?


168 posted on 12/07/2006 10:25:15 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: Kerretarded

Bomb the nut jobs home, like Reagan did to kadafi.


169 posted on 12/07/2006 10:26:48 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Wonderful pic.

And here's a quote attributed to another Brit..

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Edmund Burke

Paging the Iraq Surrender Group.

170 posted on 12/07/2006 10:27:23 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: UKRaddell
He earns £100,000 per year for working on a channel (BBC News 24) that nobody watches.

Typical when OPM is involved.
171 posted on 12/07/2006 10:27:31 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

But its not just socialists here.
EVERYONE has it stuck in their head that its an honour to pay for the BBC.

The Conservative Party will possibly win the next election. And the first thing that will happen is the licence fee will go up. Mrs. Thatcher was there for 11 years and the licence went up and up....


172 posted on 12/07/2006 10:27:57 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: UKRaddell

That stinks.


173 posted on 12/07/2006 10:28:35 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
..and FR is show prep for Rush!

You know what, I have observed that too. Sometimes one of us comments on something and Rush comments on it after the next obscene-EIB-profitcenter-timeout. I am certain the folks on the other side glass monitor this thread while the show is in progress. FR is on the *real* cutting edge with EIB close behind.

174 posted on 12/07/2006 10:28:35 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I cant get the "talk to the terrorists" song out of my head today....

Aaaaargh. I'd just managed. Darn you, Paul Shanklin...

LOLOL.

175 posted on 12/07/2006 10:28:46 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: rottndog

Absolutely.
If he was in the Private sector, he'd be earning slightly less than the guy who does the voice-overs on the all-day "Beverly Hillbillies" station.


176 posted on 12/07/2006 10:29:24 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: MarkLevinFan

What is the origin of that term 'surrender monkeys'?


177 posted on 12/07/2006 10:29:32 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: mewzilla

Will Levin be mad at his old boss Ed Meese, with his role in the Iraq Study Group?


178 posted on 12/07/2006 10:30:07 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: UKRaddell
He earns £100,000 per year for working on a channel (BBC News 24) that nobody watches.

Ye gad and little fishies. No wonder they tax your boob tubes. I'd say the folks across the pond really need to have themselves a T(V)-party...

179 posted on 12/07/2006 10:30:25 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Jake The Goose
You will create nothing but more bureaucracy with a "Manhattan Project for new energy source"

See this crash Govt project nonsense from the Leftist forgets one really important thing. You got to develop the infrasturcture to support and use the new energy source. So you do a crash project and develop a new energy source? Guess what NO ONE can use it!

What I would suggest is you give large tax breaks to companies that convert as much of their infrastructure as possible to alternative energy or spent $ on R&D for Alternative Energy sources.

For every $1 spent either converting your office, factory, store to alternative energy or spent researching and developing alternative energy sources, you should get to write off $1 of your tax burden.

Also, the US Govt could simply start buying alternative powered vehicles. For example, the Post Office, Non Combat DOD, Corps of Engineers etc could buy x number of their vehicals each year that run on hydrogen or what ever. Then each year after that the number is x+5%. That would help enormously in developing the infrastructure to support alternative fuels
180 posted on 12/07/2006 10:31:11 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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