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To: dirtboy
Define the meaning of the words and you define the argument.

Define the argument and you have won the argument.

19 posted on 12/05/2006 2:16:35 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Those who call their fellow citizens Sheeple are just ticked they were not chosen as Shepherds)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"Define the meaning of the words and you define the argument. Define the argument and you have won the argument."

I like words too,language, and thought especially. I suppose most everyone at a forum like FR do as well. But back to your point - you'll hear pundits and commentators say something like "Oh, those darn liberals won't win in any sort of honest debate, because the facts are against them, etc.,"

Well, they're right, but that's beside the point.

Leftists (calling them "Liberal" is, or should be, insulting to everyone) have no interest in facts precisely because in any sort of honest debate, they are quite aware they will lose. Facts are an impediment, so the first mistake is thinking that participants in a given debate are looking for the truth, and the unstated but implied agreement that once the facts are laid bare, somehow, a mutually agreeable conclusion will be found.

The problem is, leftists are quite aware of where the facts lead, so therefore all energies are directed elsewhere, anywhere, to either fabricate "facts" which support their assertion, coupled with and most especially to ignore or stifle honest debate. That's the real tragedy of what's happend to the Democratic party. Everytime I turn around, something else gets foisted upon the American people, with nary a vote by anyone. Once in a while a clinker will get through on a referendum, but rest assured an unaccountable judge will tamp down any semblence of real democracy should it become necessary.

Given that hard-core leftists largely control major swaths of academia, the media, the judiciary &c &c, this puts the vast majority of Americans at an intellectual disadvantage - even though they *are* the majority, it doesn't appear that way - and in this way pop culture molds perceptions and opinions.

The trick is to maintain the fiction that debate is wanted or necessary to obtain "consensus" or give the illusion of public input and desires, simultaneously suggesting that the majority beliefs and traditions are extremist, exclusionary, racist, etc., etc.; I talk to a number of longtime democrats, who are in aggregate quite conservative, though they would balk at this suggestion, not only because they have been conditioned to believe otherwise, but because oftentimes their attention span is such that even if I could explain certain concepts - they are still fundamentally unable to think outside themselves, for themselves, ironically because they only think about themselves, much less think critically - they live in a "soft cage" of, get this - bloody *words*.
47 posted on 12/05/2006 5:48:02 PM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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