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The 9th Circus upholds discrimination.
1 posted on 12/05/2006 1:03:54 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Sounds like freedom to me.


2 posted on 12/05/2006 1:06:06 PM PST by L98Fiero (The media as a self-licking ice-cream cone)
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To: SmithL
Considering there are fewer and fewer Native Hawaiians in Hawaii (due to intermarraige), this particular mode of discrimination will fade into history in another 50-100 years.
3 posted on 12/05/2006 1:06:58 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Making every thread a Star Wars thread, one post at a time!!!)
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To: SmithL
"Equality under the law" - but not for you, white boy!
5 posted on 12/05/2006 1:08:23 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SmithL
Hawaiian private school

'Nuff said.

8 posted on 12/05/2006 1:12:01 PM PST by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: SmithL
a Hawaiian private school can favor Hawaiian natives

Enough said: It's a private school, case closed. What Congress may or may not want is irrelevant.

The only issue is the fact that private schools aren't generally allowed to admit or deny students as they please.

9 posted on 12/05/2006 1:14:13 PM PST by sourcery
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To: SmithL

Then legally a private school can favor white, Christian or Jewish. Legally. Allowing one group to break the law, breaks the law so it is no longer valid.

I'm still waiting for the gov to give a legal definition of the various races.


11 posted on 12/05/2006 1:17:31 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (discrimination is wrong no matter who practices it)
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To: SmithL

Key word here, "private".


14 posted on 12/05/2006 1:20:51 PM PST by US Navy guy
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To: SmithL

If the trust is sitting on $6.8 billion, one might wonder in whose interest it's being administered.


15 posted on 12/05/2006 1:20:59 PM PST by Spok (What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about?)
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To: SmithL

is it really a "private" school? that's the key to this case.


16 posted on 12/05/2006 1:21:31 PM PST by oceanview
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To: SmithL

It's a private school, let them do what they want.


19 posted on 12/05/2006 1:22:24 PM PST by PeterFinn (B’fhearr Gaeilge briste na Béarla cliste.)
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To: SmithL
The 9th Circus upholds discrimination.

Considering it's a private schools, sounds like they are upholding property rights.

20 posted on 12/05/2006 1:22:34 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SmithL
I've been a teacher in Hawaii for 15 years, so I know something of this issue.

The school & trust are the result of a will of a Hawaiian royal princess, married to a Caucasian banker. In her will she directed money to be used for the children of Hawaii, especially those of Hawaiian blood, and especially the poor and orphaned.

The real scandal and injustice today is that they rigorously recruit only the best and brightest, no matter what percent of Hawaiian blood a person has. The result is that the middle and upper class with any trace of Hawaiian blood who have academic skill, along with the finest athletes, make up the student body. All of the truly needy Hawaiian kids, those generally with a greater portion of Hawaiian blood, from underpriveliged homes, broken families, dyslexic, suffering any kind of learning disability, of which the public schools are filled, are all denied admission.

Yes, a private school by rights has the student body it targets. The real issue here is that this richest of estates in the United States runs a school to qualify one of its arms as non-profit, rewards local judges and politicians with membership on its boards, and uses its money so extravagantly at the school without adhereing to the will of its founder.

Their preventing the truly needy of this state from what is rightfully theirs according to the will, while at the same time spending money in the most extravagant manner on its preppy best & brightest, is the real scandal.

Did I mention that breakfast and lunch is all provided free? That they help their graduates with college tuition? That teachers get in the tens of thousands to run their classrooms on incidental expenses? That the finest Koa wood panelling lines the hallways? Any idea of the state of our public schools by contrast? The pregnancy rate, the amount of fights per day, the drug use? So many of these kids with any Hawaiian blood could escape their plight with a good disciplined school, but the very kids who need it are excluded.

The system is perpetuated by those who make it in keeping it that way. No one speaks of the injustice of the system for fear of getting kicked off the gravy train, or not being able to climb aboard.
24 posted on 12/05/2006 1:46:20 PM PST by jobim
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Kam Schools are private and has earned their stellar reputation from years of hard work and dedication. It's no wonder that only the best and the brightest now gain entrance. Those forces that want to dilute the Kam schools should look to the public school system. There, they can create magnet schools and magnet programs that can replicate the Kam schools core experience (no boarding) without the parents having to pay tuition.


26 posted on 12/05/2006 2:58:26 PM PST by debg
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To: SmithL
and to help remedy some of the wrongs done during the U.S.-backed overthrow of the Hawaiian kingdom in 1893.

How about staying in the same Century?

And for all of those talking about "private" rights in this issue, that ship sailed decades ago.

As a private business owner, I have no right to hire a white or any other race over another, if they are both equally qualified.

The circus will not be overturned on the basis of private ownership.

31 posted on 12/05/2006 5:07:53 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: SmithL
The court gave the right answer, but for the wrong reason. The school should be able to discriminate on whatever basis it wants because it's a private institution. The plight of the native Hawaiians is irrelevant. The school's freedom of association is what matters here.

(Though, I suspect that the school's attorneys presented a sniveling, PC argument about the poor, downtrodden Hawaiians instead of boldly asserting their rights as Americans.)

38 posted on 12/06/2006 9:32:46 AM PST by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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All of the people talking about the private vs. public property issue have no idea what they are talking about.

The 9th Circuit is analyzing this under SCOTUS precedent from the 1960s which held that the 1866 Civil Rights Act (now known as Section 1981) bars discrimination based on race in private contracts. That decision was then later naturally applied to private schools. You may agree or disagree with that decision, but it is the precedent here and it's what the 9th Circuit should have been working under.

What the 9th Circuit did here was disgusting. It totally twisted the Court's prior holdings to justify something the Court has expressly prohibited. The system in question here does in fact discriminate entirely based on race. The defenders of the system don't even deny that.

Arguments about the quality of the schools do not matter. It was the 9th Circuit's duty to apply the law correctly and it failed to do so. I will be shocked if this decision isn't reversed.


39 posted on 12/06/2006 2:56:38 PM PST by NinoFan
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