[CGTRWK]

Of course, having now shot our wad economically and not being particularly welcome to talent from other countries, the prospects for importing scientists and engineers for a second space program look pretty dim.

That's something so depressingly stupid as to stand out even among all the other depressingly stupid things our government does. Unskilled laborers from Mexico and Central America are welcomed by the million every year while talent is actively turned away.

It's a long night coming.

[sam_paine]

Of course, having now shot our wad economically and not being particularly welcome to talent from other countries, the prospects for importing scientists and engineers for a second space program look pretty dim.

That's something so depressingly stupid as to stand out even among all the other depressingly stupid things our government does. Unskilled laborers from Mexico and Central America are welcomed by the million every year while talent is actively turned away. It's a long night coming.

I can't figure out which is the more hysterical hyperbole.

Meanwhile, Boeing is designing the most advanced composite commercial aircraft ever. And Rolls Royce still builds competitive world class jet engines. And BMW makes a car that some people think is ok.

And China will beat these by doing what? Making lots of cheap jet engines to replace all the ones that fall into the pacific?

As someone who has worked in and around Chinese engineers, I can assure you that "600,000" engineers do not an American BSEE equal. Chinese count technical trade schools as "engineer" producers....and yes, they can get 'engineering' jobs. But you wouldn't trade a 7-11 job for it, and I can assure you, they ain't being hired on H1Bs at Boeing.