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Tech shortage could hamper 2nd Space Age
Valley Press on ^ | Sunday, December 3, 2006. | ALLISON GATLIN

Posted on 12/03/2006 11:44:21 AM PST by BenLurkin

As the United States embarks on the "Second Space Age," its aerospace, science and other high-tech industries face a critical shortage of skilled engineers, scientists and technicians to do the work necessary for the country to maintain pre-eminence in space.

That message ran throughout Friday's discussions during the California Space Authority's Transforming Space Conference, a gathering of the state's various space enterprise interests.

"The Second Space Age is a new age of space exploration," said Rep. Ken Calvert, R-Riverside, honorary co-chairman of the conference.

This new age is similar to the Cold War space race in one important way, he said: "It depends on American leadership."

One oft-cited - but qualified - statistic compares the number of engineers produced yearly in the United States with other rising high-tech nations.

This country graduates approximately 70,000 new engineers per year, based on a 2004 survey, compared to some 200,000 or more in India and as many as 600,000 in China.

While noting that a wide gap in producing new engineers exists, the speakers were careful to note that the figures from India and China may be somewhat skewed due to those nations' broader definitions of engineers.

"We need to wake up. We will not be the leaders of the world we have been since World War II," Rep. Howard P. "Buck" McKeon said. The Santa Clarita Republican is outgoing chairman of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce.

"We can't just rest on our laurels. There are always people who want to knock us off that pedestal."

The problem of developing a work force of engineers is a pipeline issue, beginning with too few students willing to study math and science, McKeon said. Only half the students who do pursue such subjects in college actually graduate with those degrees, he said.

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TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: aerospacevalley; allisongatlin; antelopevalley; nasa; secondspaceage
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To: A. Pole

About every third adult I know is employed in a highly technical field with a security clearance. I worked for many years in such a field. These jobs are not going to China. In fact, critical jobs are going begging because our schools aren't turning out enough qualified math and science grads. But, feel free to believe otherwise. I know nothing I say will stop you.


21 posted on 12/03/2006 12:51:03 PM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: A. Pole
These students are smart. They do not want to invest their time and money in order to compete with Indians and Chinese for low wages without any job security and to be dumped after they get 40 years old.

This sure did happen to me. We are pressing our two really smart boys to go into medicine or anything besides "engineering for the ingrates".

22 posted on 12/03/2006 12:51:11 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Hydroshock

I agree. And the large compainies that used to have large engineering populations have now found it more cost effective to just buy technology rather than invent it.


23 posted on 12/03/2006 12:51:51 PM PST by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: Hydroshock
For years they have been outsourcing engineer jobs and doing so very publicly, and then they are suprised that people do not go to school for it.

Thats exactly what is happening. During the 90's with the tech boom, there was an increasing interest in the sciences. However, a few years ago the zeitgeist was to send every American tech job down the Ganges. Kids got wise quickly and figure that they would make a living some other way. Now the boom is back and they complain of a shortage?

24 posted on 12/03/2006 12:52:05 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: LadyNavyVet
But, feel free to believe otherwise.

I do believe you. But the key question for a student when he plans his career is whether he can trust the decision makers that they will not pull the rug in the FUTURE.

Can you promise and guarantee that this will not happen?

25 posted on 12/03/2006 12:56:00 PM PST by A. Pole (Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.")
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To: BenLurkin

Public schools: Read not, write not, count not determined to stay on that path.


26 posted on 12/03/2006 12:56:33 PM PST by Waco
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To: LadyNavyVet

Only if they work for the government, which is a net drain on the economy. (Taxes pay the salary). Not saying that working for the government makes you a bad person, but lets be honest about what it is.

If you take a non government track, as most engineers do, the future is risky.


27 posted on 12/03/2006 1:22:05 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: randog
Yup, the "physics barrier" is a bitch, and one you can't PC your way through (e.g., no finals consisting of essays on your feelings about electron flow).

Unfortunately, PC is the order of the day at places like Lockheed Martin.

28 posted on 12/03/2006 1:33:26 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: BenLurkin

"We need to increase the H1B quota again" alert.


29 posted on 12/03/2006 1:35:44 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: BenLurkin
a critical shortage of skilled engineers

Want to know something? The USA mounted a huge space race effort following Sputnik, got lots of engineers to buy in. They they laid them all off about 1970. We remember; we were there. It's a matter of trust.

30 posted on 12/03/2006 1:37:12 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Wolfie
Relax. I'm sure the Chinese will build us whatever we need.

Yeah. And if they don't, our army of lawyers will sue them into oblivion.

31 posted on 12/03/2006 1:41:06 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: BenLurkin
From the end of the article, here's what I think reveals real intent of this piece:

One challenge to improving higher education in the sciences is the restrictions on foreign students and professors posed by the federal International Traffic in Arms Regulations. These restrictions make it difficult to attract "the best minds worldwide" and causes problems in recruiting and training through industry exposure, Rosakis said.

I think that this is just more propaganda to raise the cap on H1-Bs.

32 posted on 12/03/2006 1:55:54 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: BenLurkin
Kids today are a lot more worldly-wise than we were back in the good-ole days. If you've got the brains, why spend 4 or 6 years banging your head against the wall trying to master all of the difficult concepts in engineering when you can breeze through pre-med or pre-law and then through professional school and enjoy a rewarding career without having to keep 200 copies of your resume in your desk drawer at work for when there's a hit to the corporate bottom line and you are the first to be "let go?"
33 posted on 12/03/2006 2:05:02 PM PST by trane250
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To: A. Pole

Very well put. Why should someone spend a huge sum of borrowed money, as well as time and work on highly complicated classes, so they can be fired and their jobs outsourced overseas, forcing them to move in with their parents and take a low-paying job as a security guard or cash register attendent?

While it's true that the public schools are part of the problem, the shortage is simply a reaction to foolish hiring practices by greedy corporate chieftans.


34 posted on 12/03/2006 2:12:49 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Corporatism is not conservatism)
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To: Wolfie
I'm sure the Chinese will build us whatever we need.

They can probably supply the astronauts, launch pads, and ground control.

I went to a "Christmas store" today. Man, those Chinese factories must be busy!

35 posted on 12/03/2006 2:19:02 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: BenLurkin

The cultural, educational, political and economic systems of the United States are incapable of sustaining an indigenous first class science and engineering capability.

Recall also that in the first space race, the mostly US designed Vanguard failed miserably. It was the German engineers from Redstone Arsenal that brought us the first successes and generally managed the technical aspects of the space program through Apollo.

Of course, having now shot our wad economically and not being particularly welcome to talent from other countries, the prospects for importing scientists and engineers for a second space program look pretty dim.


36 posted on 12/03/2006 2:19:51 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: Clintonfatigued

Any job that doesn't require your physical presence in a fixed location is suspect now with Free Trade. It is affecting medicine and law btw. They are outsourcing case research in law to India. They are also outsourcing some medical functions like X-ray reading to India as well. Scan it over the internet and let Apu read your film. Oh, and we are outsourcing surgery and dental care too. The HMO's are shipping people to Thailand and India because it's cheaper.

With 1.7 billion Chinese and Indians or so, even if they just barely match our levels in numbers, the price break they offer is going to keep the flow going. Some specialized blue collar jobs are going to stay and pay decently. Auto mechanics, plumbers, A/C heat repair is not going to India or China.


37 posted on 12/03/2006 2:19:54 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
Any job that doesn't require your physical presence in a fixed location is suspect now with Free Trade. ... Auto mechanics, plumbers, A/C heat repair is not going to India or China.

Like yard work, roofing, putting up sheet rock, etc...? And other "immigrant" trades?

38 posted on 12/03/2006 2:27:29 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: Nat Turner
>"Thirty-seven years ago today, Project Apollo put the first humans on the surface of the Moon. The next time the U.S. launches its astronauts to Earth's natural satellite, they will do so as part of Project Orion, collectSPACE.com has learned..."

Part of the problem
is that this "new" moon venture
looks like a copy

of forty year old
ambitions. I do not see
anything in this

that would inspire folks
to get back in the program
with lots of passion.

39 posted on 12/03/2006 2:28:51 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: trane250

breeze through pre med and med school? I don't think so...


40 posted on 12/03/2006 2:33:27 PM PST by rahbert
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