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China's Own Space Shuttle in 15 Years(picture)
Chosun Ilbo ^
| 12/01/06
Posted on 11/30/2006 7:16:53 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
Hong Kong's Wen-hui-bao carried the picture of China's space shuttle under development, which could take orbit in 2020.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: china; spaceshuttle
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I saw the Soviet shuttle "Buran" (blizzard) sitting rusty in what used to be called Gorky Park, now "Park of Culture and Recreation". I didn't go inside, but I heard that it was a restaurant that served cosmonaut food - dehydrated Tang kind of stuff I guess.
That was in '98, but I read somewhere that Buran was moved to an aviation museum somewhere (Tushino?)
Even better was the museum of cosmonautics near the VNDK ("exhibition of the achievements of the people"), which had Soviet moon suits, Yuri Gagarin's commie party card (actually, a booklet), and the EKG from Laika the first dog in space.
Wish they'd let me photograph THERE.
To: TigerLikesRooster
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posted on
11/30/2006 8:08:48 PM PST
by
JerseyJohn61
(Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
To: TigerLikesRooster
Now we know the Chinese have developed the technology to draw really simple pictures of spacecraft.
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posted on
11/30/2006 8:30:51 PM PST
by
Moonman62
(The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
To: jojoba
Well, if they go with this design, at least they won't have to deal with the foam shedding problem that killed the Columbia crew and is hanging like the sword of Damocles over every remaining US space shuttle flight.
That said, the proportion of the booster package to the flight vehicle looks off (needs more booster). Just an early concept graphic for sure.
One thing is for sure, they won't be stealing the design package for this from us. Our return to the Moon and trip to Mars Crew Excursion Vehicles are strictly conventional capsules - larger but similar in shape to the Apollo.
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posted on
11/30/2006 8:36:37 PM PST
by
Captain Rhino
( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
To: jojoba; GrandEagle
"When will our next-generation space shuttle be operational?" The first launch of the Orion Crew Exploration Vehicle (see CEV below) with humans onboard is scheduled for September, 2014 for a mission to the International Space Station (ISS). The first flight of Orion to the moon is planned for no later than 2020. Orion will have 2.5 times the interior volume of the three-man Apollo capsules used for prior lunar missions. It will be able to carry four astronauts to the moon and support missions of up to six months.
The Space Shuttle fleet will be retired no later than 2010 after completion of construction of the ISS.
To: TigerLikesRooster
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posted on
11/30/2006 8:50:27 PM PST
by
fat city
(What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
To: TigerLikesRooster
Where is the Hello Kitty logo?
To: TigerLikesRooster
What did they draw that with, an Apple //c?
To: montag813
Why is that? If the Chinese want to get involved in wasteful spending on a reusable government funded shoddily built space bus like the money pit that soaks up billions of tax dollars we have then they should.
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posted on
11/30/2006 8:59:13 PM PST
by
billbears
(Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
To: TigerLikesRooster
This design avoids the fatal flaw of the the US Space Shuttle. The craft is on top of the booster stack rather than side-by-side with it.
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posted on
11/30/2006 9:01:28 PM PST
by
Jeff Gordon
(History convinces me that bad government results from too much government. - Thomas Jefferson)
To: TigerLikesRooster
Not to worry, by the time the Red Army coaxes their Hu Flung Dung Shartul into a deteriorating orbit, we will have used the ARES 5 system to build a space assembly factory and we will have built one of these:
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posted on
11/30/2006 9:29:16 PM PST
by
Candor7
(Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
To: montag813
No Chinese "shuttle" must ever be allowed to leave the Earth.Okay, I'll bite. Why not?
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posted on
11/30/2006 9:31:48 PM PST
by
Wormwood
(Enjoy this post while it lasts!)
To: Moonman62
Yea it turns out that you can't really design all that well when all you have is pirated autoCAD running on pirated windows on knock off hardware... go figure.
I think people need to realize China is a paper tiger (dragon?) for the most part and aren't even close to US in space or military concerns, Jeff Head's outstanding books notwithstanding, and only really have our balls in a vice in the world of finance.
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posted on
11/30/2006 11:02:20 PM PST
by
Eyes Unclouded
(We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
To: Eyes Unclouded
I think people need to realize China is a paper tiger (dragon?) for the most part and aren't even close to US in space or military concerns, Jeff Head's outstanding books notwithstanding, and only really have our balls in a vice in the world of finance.
i don't think they would be willing to show you or anybody just yet actual autocad drawings of their space shuttle. (assuming that they actually have the shuttle concepts already.)
that artist rendering of the concept shuttle is for a daily newspaper figure (and a small figure at that). how many newspaper figures you've seen have detailed autocad diagrams?
lots of things can happen between now and 2020. they might just find that a shuttle is useless for them. or they could come out with some killer technology. it's all speculation right now. but judging china's "paper tiger" status based on a hong kong newspaper figure is pretty specious.
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posted on
11/30/2006 11:24:36 PM PST
by
diesel00
To: Wormwood
Chinese shuttle if cost efficient and safe would pose an image problem for the United States, because the US will be abandoning the shuttle in favor of capsule technology for the coming decades.
There is really no point in having a space shuttle now. But it looks a heck lot cooler than a rice-cooker capsule on landing though.
Of course if we get to Mars with our capsule, then we still rule the space and all bragging rights.
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posted on
11/30/2006 11:36:35 PM PST
by
diesel00
To: TigerLikesRooster
Pretty! All it needs is a Hello Kitty logo, and it it'll be a hit at Christmas.
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posted on
11/30/2006 11:38:06 PM PST
by
Silly
(Still being... Silly)
To: diesel00
Oh im sure they have some nifty toys but my money is (actually owed to China) on USA keeping our edge as long as we can keep attracting the best and brightest from the world over our boys will innovate.
I blame the late night drunk posting but something just seems so funny about me opening up the NYT tomorow and detailed CAD layouts of our new subs right there in the middle... till I realize it could happen... then i realize it probably will happen... then i have to go see my friends jim bean and jack danielz
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posted on
11/30/2006 11:39:48 PM PST
by
Eyes Unclouded
(We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
To: montag813
No Chinese "shuttle" must ever be allowed to leave the Earth. Not even if it seats one billion?
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posted on
11/30/2006 11:40:01 PM PST
by
Silly
(Still being... Silly)
To: Brilliant
Cancel our debt. We'll send you the plans.They already have the plans.
To: Eyes Unclouded
Even in finance I would still pick US over them. They may have a trillion in currency but they'll need it if they are ever going to clean up their banking system. And they almost certainly have other major problems they've hidden over the years. Being a world economic power requires transparency and a cleaning of house every now and then.
The Europeans who hate us still price their Airbus aircraft in dollars. The OPEC nations who hate us still price their oil in dollars. I saw a story yesterday about Argentina selling government bonds priced in dollars. How many countries price bonds in Chinese currency?
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posted on
12/01/2006 5:30:28 AM PST
by
Moonman62
(The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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