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Christians Must 'let go' Some Beliefs For Sake of Peace, Theologian Says (MSM lies - See Post 28)
Tennessean.com ^ | 11/29/2006 | ANITA WADHWANI

Posted on 11/30/2006 2:05:10 AM PST by Dallas59

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To: twonie

Well, how was any Pope before him addressed? I am not a Catholic and do not agree with all Catholic teachings, but he is the Pope and should be addressed as such. I did not agree with President Clinton being in office and definately did not agree with what he did while in office, but I did refer to him as President Clinton as everyone should.


141 posted on 11/30/2006 6:10:36 AM PST by Trygar
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To: motormouth

His title is Pope for you. It is bestowed upon him by a group, and they choose to refer to him as such. I, and many others, do not choose to do this. If it is any help to you, I shall always refer to Bela Pelosi as Pelosi (D; CA).


142 posted on 11/30/2006 6:14:54 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: Admin Moderator; Louisiana
I read post #28 before I read the original article, and looked at the replies to that clarification of the issue. That is a totally different explanation than what was first reported, and very few responses.

I am amazed that so many replies are still in response to the original article, even with the title change. I don't think many people actually read #28 at all.
143 posted on 11/30/2006 6:22:08 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The terrorists have many allies in the United States, especially in the democrat party.)
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To: twonie

The title of President is bestowed by a "group" as well. Out of respect, even those that didnt vote for him, refer to him (or should) as "President" Bush.

But we can certainly agree to disagree. :o)

MM


144 posted on 11/30/2006 6:24:23 AM PST by motormouth (Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.)
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To: Trygar

Nail on the head. :o)

MM


145 posted on 11/30/2006 6:26:06 AM PST by motormouth (Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.)
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To: Northern Yankee

You can find a "theologian" to say any dumb*ss thing. And of course, the MSM pretty much only publishes the ones who say dumb*ss things.


146 posted on 11/30/2006 6:27:29 AM PST by Tax-chick ("That would be the camel's nose under the mouse.")
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To: motormouth

Of course he IS the Pope. There are some who just don't have the respect or courtesy to address him as such. I wonder if they would mind their pastors referred to as MR. So-in-so?


147 posted on 11/30/2006 6:35:00 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: windsorknot

Yep. It is about respect, not personal beliefs.


148 posted on 11/30/2006 6:39:33 AM PST by motormouth (Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.)
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To: Dallas59
Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth

Christian's faith do not require that THEY bring about a Christian kingdom. The kingdom will not be brought about by anything less than the return of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
What a Christians faith requires is that they repent of their sins, spread the gospel, witness to others, and try to emulate the life Jesus Christ lived.

149 posted on 11/30/2006 6:41:27 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Dallas59
Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth

In other wors. become muslims. This man is crazy. Our faith doesn't require it. The Bible declares it, unconditionally. We Christians have nothing to do with it because we are not here, when Jesus returns to establish His Kingdom that endurith forever.

150 posted on 11/30/2006 6:48:44 AM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: Louisiana
"I have about 130 graduate hours of theological training and Biblical history."

And you obviously learned nothing there, else you wouldn't be quoting Wikipedia as a reliable source. Yes, there were short abberational periods where forced conversions happened--but they were just that---abberations---not matters of doctrine--unlike the massive (and still ongoing) campaign by Islam to forcibly convert the world that WAS and IS a matter of religious doctrine.

"The Cathar residents were given a chance to convert, and the 140 who refused were burned."

Do you expect to actually be taken seriously when you compare trivial incidents like this to the hundreds of thousands (and possibly millions) who died at the hands of expansionist Islam.

My only regret is that the Crusades failed, and didn't completely wipe Islam off the face of the earth, as it so richly deserves.

151 posted on 11/30/2006 6:49:03 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Louisiana
Perhaps he was misquoted, but I still take issue with his explanation...

In serious dialog with Jews and Muslims, we American Christians, who tend to have very short historical attention spans, must acknowledge the sins of Christian history.

Ridiculous. Who's denying that terrible things have been done in the name of Christ? I think plenty of acknowledgment has been proffered. All Christians want - of Muslims at least - is not to be blown up, beheaded, or maimed.

"Because I profess Jesus as Lord, I must let go of any strategy that seeks to violently impose “Jesus is Lord” upon another...."

Um...Exactly WHO is trying to violently impose "Jesus is Lord" on everyone else? Where is this huge cabal, the intent of which is to forcibly convert people to Christianity (an impossibility, btw)?

152 posted on 11/30/2006 6:55:38 AM PST by opus86
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Hi, "GiovannaNicoletta"!

Add to your verses, the following:

"Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain." (I Corinthians 15:58)*

And these:

"Your attitude should be the same as that of Jesus Christ:

"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2: 5~11)**

Just a humble reminder: not only will those of us who recognize Him for who He is, but the knees and tongues of everyone, including Nancy Pelosi and her brood, the ACLU, the NEA, Ahmadinejad and his followers etc., will conform to His will:....every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father!!

It's as simple as that. So we can rest assured in His comfort and follow His direction:

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose." (Philippians 2:12, 13)***

*HOLY BIBLE New International Version,p. 1792

**Ibid., p. 1827

***Ibid., pps. 1827, 1828

153 posted on 11/30/2006 7:05:59 AM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: Dallas59

I noticed the conspicous absence of the notion that Muslims have to give up the idea of the whole world living under Shaira Law. Camp obviously believes that Christians are the bad guys and that Muslims are the good guys, and I doubt there is any changing his mind.


154 posted on 11/30/2006 7:09:05 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Dallas59

Lee Camp is a pawn of Satan and is in danger of losing his soul.


155 posted on 11/30/2006 7:11:18 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: Dallas59

Hmmm. Does that mean that Muslims should also give up their idea of world domination? The biggest difference I see is that Christians may want a world in which the tenets of Christianity are paramount, but they don't go around killing those who disagree, and they even let those who disagree build their own houses of worship and attend freely. Can't say the same thing about countries dominated by Muslims.


156 posted on 11/30/2006 7:23:31 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Northern Yankee
"We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?"

He must have been gone from school the day they learned about the resurrection.

Hmmm...renounce Jesus as the Lord of all Lords?

You go right ahead and do, that, Mr. Camp. See where it gets you.

The devil and his minions will always continue to skim the the naive pit with his lies and deceit.

But if people actually fall for this garbage, they are already at the bottom.

157 posted on 11/30/2006 7:26:35 AM PST by kstewskis ("Never give away for free what God has given you as a gift for your husband"....CyberAnt)
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To: Recall

Too bad these nitwit "theologians" didn't read it.


158 posted on 11/30/2006 7:31:46 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Louisiana

Note the writer of the article name. While Camp's subsequent comments are better there still seems to be some problems with them.


159 posted on 11/30/2006 7:39:12 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Dallas59
For Kahled Sakalla, a spokesman for the Islamic Center of Nashville, some of the answers lie in better education about Islam in the non-Muslim world.

Allah, the God Muslims worship, is the same God Christians and Jews worship, and the Quran recounts the same biblical stories of Mary and Jesus, he said.

NOT TRUE!

160 posted on 11/30/2006 7:45:17 AM PST by sauropod ("Come have some pie with me.")
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