Posted on 11/27/2006 11:02:39 AM PST by News Hunter
"In God We Trust," the official national motto since 1956 and a familiar sight on U.S. coins and currency, will be hard to find on the new presidential dollar coins scheduled for release to the public Feb. 15, 2007.
The new gold-colored dollar pieces, featuring images of U.S. presidents, will move the inscription from the face of the coin to the thin edge, along with the year and the previous national motto, "E Pluribus Unum," Latin for "Out of Many, One."
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Reread your words, sir. Selfish is not a part of your character at all. Nothing of what you stated resulted in your personal betterment, but was for others instead.
I do prefer to have "in God we trust" on our money, but I find preserving the Constitution profoundly more important.
Where are these two mutually exclusive? The Constitution has been reinterpreted to mean something the secularists want it to mean, not what the founding father's gave us. Go back and reread the First Amendment and ask yourself what the intent of those words really are. While you're pondering that, also read the Federalist papers that deal with the First Amendment. Further, reread the Declaration of Independence. You are intelligent enough to determine on your own what the intent was.
No Atheism is the State Religion. Everything else is illegal on public property.
Well I sure am glad to hear that. Loud and Clear!!
We believe , you don't. So now what ? Well , in these cases we usually go by what the majority wishs
So, tell me, what exactly is "the establishment clause" and how does it apply to minted coins?
Can't wait until Ted croaks so we can design his ugly mug into the surface of a coin made specifically for throwing into wishing wells.
Can't wait until Ted [Kennedy] croaks so we can design his ugly mug into the surface of a coin made specifically for throwing into wishing wells.
We are a constitutional republic and would you folks take the semantics arguments to someone who cares? It was a catch phrase used to express my statement that the majority of the country is Christian and should not be cowed by the MINORITY that are not and who are complaining about the motto, "In God We Trust."
The problem I have is that the government (mostly judiciary) is running roughshod over the Christians and letting the humanist/moral relativists force their agenda. It is freedom OF religion, not FROM religion. The Founders knew this as well.
Dude, get over yourself. It was a figure of speech and whether you liked it or not, the semantics argument grows tiresome. Our laws are based upon the Christian tradition, whether you like it or not. The references to Providence and "their Creator" are proof enough of the fact. Our most basic laws come from the traditions set forth in the Christian tradition about rights that cannot be taken away (inalienable), given by their Creator. The Founders were smart enough to allow freedom OF religion but not freedom FROM religion. They chose not to, as you put it, to avoid the circumstance that was a root cause of why they fled England, the state-sponsored Anglican Church. The basis for some of the most basic laws (i.e. against murder, against theft, against adultery, etc.) come from the Ten Commandments. This is fact, not drivel. Feel free to respond but I am done with you.
And just how is that? Are you not allowed to believe as you wish, and practice as you wish? The only restrictions the government places upon you is that, when they provide the forum or the site, you must be religiously neutral. That's fair.
It is freedom OF religion, not FROM religion.
Nice bumper sticker slogan, but this is utterly useless as a rule of law. Religious neutrality must allow non-religious people the same rights as Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
Put this way: how many times have you seen people squawk when they see something perceived as endorsing Islam coming from the schools? This is the case because they find the tenets of Islam to be offensive. Some people see the same about Christianity - and the Constitution does not allow you to simply say "Well, this Country is majority-Christian, so too bad." No, it requires a secular government (no religious tests) and a religiously neutral government (no establishment of religion.)
No, you were wrong, and someone versed in Constitutional Law called you on this. Deal with it.
I've never claimed to be versed in Constitutional Law and won't do so now. I guess I am the only one in this long series of posts who expressed this opinion. It was simply a statement, made quickly, to express that the majority of the country is Christian; I'll use more explanatory language next time. I have no problem admitting that we are a constitutional republic and that the majority is kept in check by the system set up by the Founders to avoid tyranny; that much I already know. But I will not concede my statements that Christianity was a large foundation for the forming of this country, is interwoven into the very fabric of this nation, including the Founding documents and laws, and is still represented by a majority of the population.
Our common law derives from English law, which derives from Saxon and Roman law. Do you really think that murder was OK before the issuance of the Ten Commandments?
"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law. . . This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it." Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 2-10-1814.
The Treaty with Tripoli (signed in Tripoli, Nov. 4, 1796; ratified by the US on June 10, 1797) unequivocally states that:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [i.e., Muslims],-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan [i.e., Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.Tripoli Treaty, Article 11.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Do not worry you didn't burst anything. The Treaty with Tripoli -- impressive. However, I will still "keep the Faith" as it were. Later.
Here's a wonderful opportunity for educating yourself:
http://www.americanchristianhistory.com/
Yeah. What you're describing is more of a privilege accorded to Christians in this country -- not a right (something you can exercise without impinging upon the rights of others). So much for "all men created equal."
BTW, I've contributed more to this country than many folks here. I was born into a Navy family (my father, grandfather, uncle and great uncle all served). My brother just retired from the Navy, and I will be following him in about a year (I've got 19 years in myself). If you want to make a case about "contributing to this country" I will call your ass out anytime, anywhere.
Remember, not just Christians, but every other religion under the sun (and lack thereof) "contribute" to this country.
1. The Religious Test clause,
2. The First Amendment,
3. The absence of any reference to Deity in the Constitutional oath of office, and
4. The Tripoli treaty of 1796.
No amount of personal correspondence can overrule this official evidence.
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