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To: BlackElk

I should state that it's nothing personal. Just a philosophical discussion. It reminds of an interview with Bob Jones III of Bob Jones University fame. He stoutly claimed that there is no way his Institution would ever teach the likes of Tennessee Williams or D.H. Lawrence. It was comical and sad.


808 posted on 12/02/2006 7:59:44 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges; sittnick; ninenot; Tax-chick; bornacatholic; Oberon; mockingbyrd
Bob Jones III is not the boogeyman you make him out to be.

Bob Jones I in 1928, referencing the Hoover/Al Smith presidential race, said that he would see a (vulgarism for a gentleman of African-American extraction) in the White House before he would see a papist like Al Smith there. As a Catholic, I would regard Bob Jones I as a bit out of touch.

Bob Jones III is the proud possessor of a degree from Notre Dame University, wrongly regarded as "Catholic" by many but not exactly what grandpa would have preferred as his grandson's college nonetheless. Despite passing through the pseudo-Catholic and pseudo-intellectual valley of Hesburgh, Jones III seems to have retained moral sense to despise Williams and Lawrence. Good for him! One hopes that this is proof of the existence of an actually Catholic/Christian underground at Notre Dame. Whodathunk it?

If I remember correctly, Tennessee Williams was another lavender queen. I take it you are suggesting that D. H. Lawrence was as well. Now, remind me again as to why either of them is necessary or desirable as authors for young Christians/Catholics to study. Will they be able to substitute Flannery O'Connor or Walker Percy without missing a beat. Lavenderism is proof of bad judgment and bad morals. There are plenty of quality people of sexual normality to serve as role models, sources of wisdom, sources of morality and sources of literature.

If you imagine that my children need to study the work of Tennessee Williams, D. H. Lawrence, Harold Pinter, Edward Albee, James Baldwin, Walt Whitman, Allen Ginsberg and such, that is one more reason for you to have nothing to do with setting the standards of their educations. Anyone's kids would profit from reading Pope Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum, or Pope St. Pius X's Pascendi Domenici Gregis or Pope John Paul the Great's Evangelium Vitae but that will be up to their respective parents as it should be. Deciding for my own kids is good enough for me.

Then we abolish gummint skewels so as to avoid having to subsidize secularist trash, anti-Americanism and organized promotion of ignorance and other forms of liberalism/socialism which are REALLY comical and sad and tragic and......

809 posted on 12/02/2006 1:36:47 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Borges

AND, when you start paying the bills for Bob Jones III and his university, you will have a say in how it is run and not until. When Americans are all taxed to support a failed gummint skewel system, we all have a say so in how it is mismanaged, not that the administrators would listen in any event.


818 posted on 12/02/2006 2:17:33 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Borges
It reminds of an interview with Bob Jones III of Bob Jones University fame. He stoutly claimed that there is no way his Institution would ever teach the likes of Tennessee Williams or D.H. Lawrence. It was comical and sad.

I call BS on that statement. I graduated from BJU in 1984 and saw more than one of Tennessee Williams' plays were performed during my 4 years there. I helped produce a student directed version of The Glass Menagerie my junior year and used a dialog from A Streetcar Named Desire in my sophomore platform. As far as Lawrence goes, I remember someone doing an excerpt from A Collier's Friday Night, but I don't remember reading a great deal of his poetry. (Of course it has been over 20 years, I've probably forgotten more than I remember at this point) During this time, BJ III was president and BJ Jr. was Chancellor. There is no way that these plays were used 'behind his back.' Going behind either of the Drs Bob was simply not done -- never, not one time. Unless you wanted to head on home....then you did what you wanted.

I'm not sure what you heard him say, but it wasn't that his institution wouldn't teach Williams or Lawrence because they did while I was there.

826 posted on 12/02/2006 6:36:41 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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