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To: Borges; sittnick; ninenot; Tax-chick; bornacatholic; Oberon; mockingbyrd
Bob Jones III is not the boogeyman you make him out to be.

Bob Jones I in 1928, referencing the Hoover/Al Smith presidential race, said that he would see a (vulgarism for a gentleman of African-American extraction) in the White House before he would see a papist like Al Smith there. As a Catholic, I would regard Bob Jones I as a bit out of touch.

Bob Jones III is the proud possessor of a degree from Notre Dame University, wrongly regarded as "Catholic" by many but not exactly what grandpa would have preferred as his grandson's college nonetheless. Despite passing through the pseudo-Catholic and pseudo-intellectual valley of Hesburgh, Jones III seems to have retained moral sense to despise Williams and Lawrence. Good for him! One hopes that this is proof of the existence of an actually Catholic/Christian underground at Notre Dame. Whodathunk it?

If I remember correctly, Tennessee Williams was another lavender queen. I take it you are suggesting that D. H. Lawrence was as well. Now, remind me again as to why either of them is necessary or desirable as authors for young Christians/Catholics to study. Will they be able to substitute Flannery O'Connor or Walker Percy without missing a beat. Lavenderism is proof of bad judgment and bad morals. There are plenty of quality people of sexual normality to serve as role models, sources of wisdom, sources of morality and sources of literature.

If you imagine that my children need to study the work of Tennessee Williams, D. H. Lawrence, Harold Pinter, Edward Albee, James Baldwin, Walt Whitman, Allen Ginsberg and such, that is one more reason for you to have nothing to do with setting the standards of their educations. Anyone's kids would profit from reading Pope Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum, or Pope St. Pius X's Pascendi Domenici Gregis or Pope John Paul the Great's Evangelium Vitae but that will be up to their respective parents as it should be. Deciding for my own kids is good enough for me.

Then we abolish gummint skewels so as to avoid having to subsidize secularist trash, anti-Americanism and organized promotion of ignorance and other forms of liberalism/socialism which are REALLY comical and sad and tragic and......

809 posted on 12/02/2006 1:36:47 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Say what you want about Bob Jones. Their school curriculum is lousy. (Not the university stuff but the kindergarten through high school material) I found their science books insulting to science, it's not something to fear, and their math books, disorganized. The rest of their books, history and the like, were less than academically rigorous. Here ends my knowledge of Bob Jones.

Don't go giving up on Notre Dame. While there are a multitude of problems on campus, there is still a Catholic air to it. At times is is fostered simply out of tradition's sake, but God works any way He can. My parents, who are pretty rigid about what colleges they will put their children through, are satisfied. Not pleased, mind you, but satisfied. My sister is almost half way through her junior year, and is more firmly Catholic than the day she left. Perhaps it is due to her twelve years worth of homeschooling before hand.

On the other had, Gonzaga is most certainly off the list.
823 posted on 12/02/2006 5:21:20 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: BlackElk

Lawrence was quite straight. He just wrote explicitly about matters sexual in the 1910s and '20s. He epitomizes the post Freudian writer wallowing in his 'liberation' from Victorian pieties. F.R. Leavis thought he was the last link in the great tradition of the English novel.


832 posted on 12/03/2006 7:04:29 AM PST by Borges
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