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1 posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:48 AM PST by meandog
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Forget about interacting with others? Are they nuts? Socialization is an important component of getting along in life. You cannot teach it.

*Father, Mother, and children do not socialise? This broom-pusher has fallen in a pail of spic and span. Detoxify him

400 posted on 11/27/2006 2:28:35 PM PST by bornacatholic
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No Training

*That sounds like an opening to have the NEA supervise licensing parent to have children. Nobody trained me to be a parent

401 posted on 11/27/2006 2:30:26 PM PST by bornacatholic
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I found many punctuation errors and inconsistencies in this piece.

I'm sure this gal is a former teacher, with years and years of experience. Clearly SHE can't do it all, either.


402 posted on 11/27/2006 2:33:30 PM PST by AmericanChef
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Schools With Good Teachers Are Best-Suited to Shape Young Minds

This headline is telling, isn't it? One might wonder why shaping kids' minds is more important than educating them. If the goal of schools is to 'shape' young minds, one might ask, "Exactly with WHAT information do you intend to shape them"?

I've taught our kids our view of the world, shaped by our faith, over the last 26 years. As far as 'schooling' is concerned, they've either been in school, or homeschooled, and in both instances the goal has been to teach them about history and geography, have them read good literature, learn mathematics, and learn other useful skills such as the use of computers, etc. We've also taught them to think critically about things, something the schools SAY they want to do, but don't seem to get around to doing, since they're busy 'shaping' those same minds.

You don't need professionals to 'shape' kids' minds, after all, the madrassas in Pakistan and the rest of the Muslim world do that very well, and they don't have professional educators, and I wouldn't say those young men are 'educated'. Kids can be educated anywhere, and with lots of resources. They don't need to be stuck in a classroom all day with teachers droning on in front of the group. Some kids like to learn this way, but most kids just get by, some better than others, and most just learn enough to remember it for a test.

408 posted on 11/27/2006 3:47:53 PM PST by SuziQ
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So, why would some parents assume they know enough about every academic subject to home-school their children?

When kids are in elementary school, parents can handle anything their kids need to learn. The only time it gets more difficult is during the high school years, if either parent isn't familiar with a subject. At that time, parents tend to look for co-ops, with a parent who IS knowledgeable in a subject teaching it, or the kids can attend a Community College, which provides the additional benefit of the kids getting college credit for the courses.

No one has ever said that every parent needs to know every subject in order to homeschool their kids. In many cases, for high school students, the parents simply serve as resource advisors, finding opportunities for their kids to learn.

The fact that this goober is talking about homeschooled students becoming social misfits, shows he has never spent much time in the presence of any homeschooling families. There are always field trips with other families and gatherings of teenagers with your kids, not to mention the opportunities for the kids to meet folks of all ages and backgrounds since they're not stuck in a classroom with kids their own age all day. There is no such thing as a lack of socialization for homeschooled kids; the opposite may be more accurate.

412 posted on 11/27/2006 3:59:17 PM PST by SuziQ
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"Without allowing their children to mingle have sex, trade ideas crack cocaine and thoughts social diseases with others, these parents are creating social misfits conservatives."

There, that makes more sense.
419 posted on 11/27/2006 5:25:46 PM PST by MissouriConservative (Libertarian = aid and comfort to the democratic party)
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When I worked for Wal-Mart more than 20 years ago

I see the dumbas$ janitor used to work at WalMart. If he's not qualified to give a polemic on the evils of home schooling, than who is ?!

426 posted on 11/27/2006 7:51:04 PM PST by Nonstatist
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They would be wise to help their children and themselves by leaving the responsibility of teaching math, science, art, writing, history, geography and other subjects to those who are knowledgeable, trained and motivated to do the best job possible.

That's precisely what home-schooling parents are doing.

427 posted on 11/27/2006 7:53:46 PM PST by Cementjungle
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"There’s nothing like having the right person with the right experience, skills and tools to accomplish a specific task. Whether it is window-washing, bricklaying or designing a space station. Certain jobs are best left to the pros. Formal education is one of those jobs. "

And hasn't the "professional monopoly" of public education done a great job of it...

The fact is that American public education is a cesspool of intellectual and financial waste and underachievement. For most most parents it's simply the cheap, easy way to get their kids out of the way for a few hours a day, and avoid any financial sacrifice.

Are there exceptions? Yes. But the exceptions are a minority.

The fact is that a huge percentage of American parents are perfectly happy leaving the future of their children to chance.
433 posted on 11/27/2006 9:40:06 PM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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(Dave Arnold, a member of the Illinois Education Association, is head custodian at Brownstown Elementary School in Southern Illinois.)

OK, in that case: when it comes to teaching my kid, I know best. If my toilet is clogged I'll call you.

438 posted on 11/27/2006 9:57:46 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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(Dave Arnold, a member of the Illinois Education Association, is head custodian at Brownstown Elementary School in Southern Illinois.)

Why do teachers need to attend teacher school? Apparently, these days even the school janitor has no trouble elucidating the established education duckspeak.

Public education is obviously a great success - the masses have risen! LOL!

Kids - only you can shut these propaganda camps down - with a boycott.

446 posted on 11/28/2006 6:07:10 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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Oh yeah, because we all know the Elementary Education majors were all at the top of the educational pyramid. /sarc


466 posted on 11/28/2006 8:12:26 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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(Dave Arnold, a member of the Illinois Education Association, is head custodian at Brownstown Elementary School in Southern Illinois.)

And he's qualified!!!

ROFLOL!!!

468 posted on 11/28/2006 8:14:48 AM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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I'd rather have my children schooled by Christian, well-meaning amateurs than brain-washed, liberal loonies who literally spit on our traditions, flag, and country.

Do you know what the stated school mission was for our local elementary
school 6 or 7 years ago--framed and hanging on the wall--"..to prepare students to becme citizens of the world..." I was outraged when I read it.
We should be educating our children in our history, what it means to be an American, and to fit into the global situation from that standpoint. Instead, they are brainwashed into believing these "global" mores are so much better than ours. Just take a look at the countries of the globe. So many Muslim govts; so many completely socialized countries; so many dictatorships---yet, the NEA WOULD HAVE THESE "TRAINED, PROFESSIIONALS" take away our childrens' natural heritage of individualism and freedom.

Off my soapbox for now.

vaudine


469 posted on 11/28/2006 8:16:19 AM PST by vaudine
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Isn't this an old article? Seems I read an opinion piece by a janitor (yes, that's what he is) here a long time ago.

On another note, how funny is it that the teacher's union has to get a janitor to defend them? LOL!


487 posted on 11/28/2006 9:41:07 AM PST by blu (Save the cheerleader, save the world!)
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From a 1999 article from Walter Williams:

"Dr. Thomas Sowell addresses the issue in his book "Inside American Education." In 1980-81, students majoring in education scored lower on both the verbal and math portions of the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) than students majoring in any other subject. Only 7 percent of high-school seniors with SAT scores in the top 20 percent, and 13 percent in the next quintile, chose to major in education. At the other end of the academic spectrum, more than half of those with SAT scores in the lowest 20 percent chose education as a major. Eighty-five percent of high SAT-scoring students who actually become teachers leave after a brief career.

Education majors remain at the bottom of the academic barrel after four years of college. The National Institute of Education conducted a study of student performance on examinations (LSAT, GMAT and GRE) to gain entrance to graduate schools. Of 25 different undergraduate study areas, students whose undergraduate major was education scored at the bottom or at best second from the bottom.

Education majors supply not only teachers, counselors and administrators, but also professors of education and leaders of the education establishment. Sowell says professors of education rank just as low among college and university faculty members as education students do among other students.

Given low-quality students and low-quality professors, it is hardly surprising to discover that "most education courses are not intellectually respectable, because their teachers and the textbooks are not intellectually respectable." Neither is it surprising to find these people falling easy prey to fads and harebrained schemes.

493 posted on 11/28/2006 10:18:08 AM PST by HighWheeler (A true liberal today is a combination of socialist, fascist, hypocrite, and anti-American.)
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I've smelt this before... near the compost heap... great pro-socialist article...


495 posted on 11/28/2006 10:24:56 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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Schools With Good Teachers Are Best-Suited to Shape Young Minds

Hmmm, too bad that most public schools are not filled with good teachers. Note that the title is not "educate" young minds, but "shape" young minds. An early proponent of public schools once said that professional teachers should be able to teach any body of knowledge, but that what was to be taught and why it was to be taught was to be left up to the parents, not to the teachers, to decide. Today's "educators" seem too often to be socialist crusaders who missed their calling as social workers or sociologists.
498 posted on 11/28/2006 10:42:15 AM PST by aruanan
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“It’s not as difficult as it looks.”

The “it” is meant to be “teaching.” Let’s face it, teaching children is difficult even for experienced professionals. Wannabes have no idea.


As someone with an undergraduate degree in education from one of the top-ranked education programs in the U.S. and an advanced degree in the biological sciences from one of the top universities in the world, I can say that the author is self-deluded. I once talked to a teacher who told me that her coursework for a masters degree in reading instruction was "the toughest thing I've ever done." And, I thought, knowing you, it probably was. Further conversation revealed that she thought that her masters degree was something that was inherently difficult and, therefore, of great moment. She could not have been farther from the truth.
499 posted on 11/28/2006 10:47:50 AM PST by aruanan
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Dave Arnold, a member of the Illinois Education Association, is head custodian at Brownstown Elementary School in Southern Illinois.

Ha ha ha ha ha.
500 posted on 11/28/2006 10:49:07 AM PST by aruanan
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