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Home Schools Run By Well-Meaning Amateurs
NEA ^ | By Dave Arnold

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by meandog

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To: AnAmericanMother; Froufrou

Y'all must have had sturdy furniture! We have little wire shelves that probably wouldn't even hold skinny Pat.


761 posted on 12/01/2006 8:38:26 AM PST by Tax-chick ("That would be the camel's nose under the mouse.")
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To: shag377

"Please do not get me wrong. I am 100% for your right to do what you will with your children, only that I question how well you can provide all the time."

The problem is that the average teacher isn't much better than a "well-meaning amatuer" parent. So much of classroom time isn't relevant to learning any specific subject. Teacher opinion, discipline, silly social engineering games. Public school test scores are a testimony to how little learning actually takes place. Even a sloppy attempt by a parent following a homeschool curriculum manual will do better in most circumstances.

I have many family members who work in the public school system ranging from principal to 40 year teacher. They all support and encourage my homeschooling efforts. You wouldn't believe the stories I hear from my brother who is a principal of an elementary school in California... about the teachers! That being said, I don't mean to offend the precious few outstanding teachers out there. We know you're there and that you do good work.. but it won't repair 4 years of sloppy teaching by the others.


762 posted on 12/01/2006 8:43:28 AM PST by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: Tax-chick
The shelves in my closet were wood, framed up like a bookshelf. They filled the whole back of the closet and went up to the ceiling (the closets were quite deep - mom and dad built their own house.) Only problem was, the closets had those wooden sliding doors on tracks, and when I jumped down off the higher shelves I tended to knock the door out of the tracks. < LOUD CRASHING NOISE >

Dad still is an excellent carpenter, has always liked building things. He and mom panelled the entire inside of the house (cypress tongue and groove downstairs, pine upstairs), he built all the kitchen cabinets and the "entertainment center" (except that wasn't what it was called then) in the living room, plus stuff like chairs and bookcases when somebody needed one.

They sold their house when the city taxes got too high -- and some fool wrecked it out (it was an architect-designed contemporary) to build a Monster Mansion.

763 posted on 12/01/2006 8:45:17 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Froufrou
I used to sleep in the 'chester' drawers.

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That's so cute. My mother used a drawer for my little brother. He's fairly normal. :)

764 posted on 12/01/2006 8:49:00 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tax-chick; AnAmericanMother

I can't imagine feeding and caring for 8! You must be wonder woman! I had only one and she STILL gives me a hard time [but I love her dearly!]


765 posted on 12/01/2006 8:50:15 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: trisham

As am I...almost normal...


766 posted on 12/01/2006 8:51:09 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

That puts you one up on me. :)


767 posted on 12/01/2006 8:52:07 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Froufrou

I just have a higher-than-average tolerance for chaos.

Being a parent of any children is difficult, but I don't think that eight is all that much more difficult than two. You just have to accept that you're not in control of most of what goes on.

They do eat a lot, of course, but a casserole for ten isn't much more work than a casserole for four.


768 posted on 12/01/2006 8:53:25 AM PST by Tax-chick ("That would be the camel's nose under the mouse.")
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To: AnAmericanMother

Sad story. It would be neat to have a house that wasn't totally ordinary :-), but we have no skills!


769 posted on 12/01/2006 8:54:26 AM PST by Tax-chick ("That would be the camel's nose under the mouse.")
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To: shag377

No flaming... You asked a legitimate question. Many non-homeschoolers misunderstand homeschooling, as did I before we began homeschooling our children.

I am not a "teacher" any more than every good parent is a teacher. Homeschooling fosters independent learning. Once a child learns basic reading, writing, and arithmetic, they become independent learners. Schools foster "dependent" learning where a teacher tells the children what to learn. But, in homeschooling, I purchase books and other materials and give them to my kids. Then I check their work. They proceed at their own pace.

Though at times it may present challenges, the academic part of homeschooling is a breeze.

Every subject can be learned independently, even a foreign language, but I put my children into foreign language classes so that they can learn it from someone who can speak it.


770 posted on 12/01/2006 9:05:42 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: BlackElk
William Wordsworth over beat poets like Allen Ginsberg, Shakespeare over Theater of the Absurd

Do you think schools should just leave out the 20th century altogether?
771 posted on 12/01/2006 10:07:06 AM PST by Borges
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To: Froufrou

I used to sleep in my closet when small because I was convinced by my older sister than there was a monster under my bed...


772 posted on 12/01/2006 11:17:38 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

And now you've grown up only to learn that monsters always hide in closets...


773 posted on 12/01/2006 11:28:20 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Borges
No, but if Allen Ginsburg and Harold Pinter were representative of the 20th century, I would consider it.

Fortunately, in Catholicism, the 20th Century began with Pope Leo XII, then Pope St. Pius X, and also Pope Pius XI, Pope Pius XII, Pope John Paul I, Pope John Paul II (to be known as The Great), and Pope Benedict XVI, and several lesser lights. Also Cardinals Merry del Valle, Amleto Cicognani, Carlo Confalonieri, Alfredo Ottaviani, James McIntyre.

In the United States, we had Presidents William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, Warren Gamaliel Harding, Calvin Coolidge and Ronald Reagan and the dark side consisting of such as Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover (as president but he improved in private life), Franklin of the New Deal (although concededly also Dr. Win the War), Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, RMN, Gerald Ford, Jimmuh Peanut, Bush the Elder (and Tax Hiker) and the Arkansas Antichrist.

In popular culture: 1950s DooWop, the Beach Boys, the Big Band Era, the Blues, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Bing Crosby, Elvis, Buddy Holly, Motown, Natalie Wood, Clark Gable, Vivien Leigh, Gone With the Wind, Dr. Zhivago (even though the author was a Gramscian communist), Godfather I-III, Seven Samurai, Sound of Music, American Graffiti, popular novels by writers like Clavell, Clancy, Baldacci, Grisham, Deaver, Jeffrey and Kenneth Shaara, and by Taylor Caldwell, histories by Samuel Eliot Morison and Allan Nevins and Paul Johnson and Crane Brinton and Donald Kagan and Shelby Foote, and biographies by Robert Caro and by James I. Robertson and by George Weigel and American Caesar by William Manchester and by Carl Sandberg and by Robert Remini.

Political thought: books like Witness, The Road to Serfdom, anything by von Mises, The Suicide of the West, Kevin Phillips' early books like The Emerging Republican Majority, nearly anything by Tom Wolfe.

Villains whose example is to be avoided: secularists generally, John Dewey, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, anything opposed to Francisco Franco in Spain.

Heroes to be emulated: The foregoing list of good popes, St. Maria Goretti, St. Benedicta of the Cross (nee Edith Stein), St. Pio, St. Maximilian Kolbe, St. Jose Maria Escriva, the four horsemen of SCOTUS, Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge the Elder (Wilson's enemy). Francisco Franco, Konrad Adenauer, Charles deGaulle, Ronaldus Maximus, Margaret Thatcher, Winston Churchill, Tony Blair, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the ten Booms, Russian Orthodox martyrs to the soviet coup, Spanish martyrs to the communist and anarchist "Spanish Republicans," Nguyen Cao Ky, Ngo Dinh Diem, Menachem Begin, Jonathan Netanyahu, George S. Patton, Jr., Douglas MacArthur, the National Guardsmen at Kent State (5/70), Sen. Joseph R. McCarthy, Sen. William Jenner, Sen Henry Dworkin, Sen. George Murphy, Sen. Peter Dominick, Cong. John Ashbrook, Cong. Henry Hyde, Cong. Chris Smith, Cong. Curt Weldon, Prof. David Nelson Rowe, Prof. Clarence Manion, James Burnham, Frank Meyer, Willmoore Kendall, Will Herberg, Phyllis Schlafly, Janice Rogers Brown, .

Leave out the 20th century???? Hell, no. More like: Never forget the 20th Century and all of its examples positive and negative.

774 posted on 12/01/2006 11:31:21 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Uuum, Grisham? Whatever Pinter's politics, his 60s dramas are hugely important and influential. So is Albee if you want to look at the American side of Theater of the Absurd. The Beats were very pro-American btw. Kerouac and Co. considered themselves heirs to Whitman.


775 posted on 12/01/2006 11:36:39 AM PST by Borges
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To: Froufrou

LOL no, I learned that monsters can hide anywhere :)

I also learned at an early age to not trust the word of my sister ...


776 posted on 12/01/2006 11:39:22 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

Hmmm...on the one hand, we've got monsters...on the other...sisters...


777 posted on 12/01/2006 11:40:29 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

yep - when I was little they were one and the same... :)


778 posted on 12/01/2006 11:41:57 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Borges
As to John Grisham who sells a lot more novels than I or most likely you and sells one of each to me: De gustibus, non disputandem est. I like him a lot more than I should like James Baldwin or other leftist trash.

I used Allen Ginsberg as an example of Beats. I trust you are not going to call him pro-American."

I wasted time and money on a Pinter Play or two (one of them with actors popping out of garbage cans: Waiting for Godot???). That will do for a lifetime. I have but one life to live and I am determined not to waste it watching Theater of the Absurd now that I have grown up.

As to the "arts community" in general, Pinter's "dramas" were "hugely important and influential" to whom???? The usual crowd of arts arbiters and college professors and pseudo-intellects whose politics may be found well to the left of Mao-Tse Tung???? I am soooo impressed!!!! Oh, and I forgot the English Profs who make a living telling you what authors MEANT to say when they said the precise opposite. I also do not listen to NPR or watch "public" television programming except on an extremely selective basis. I can think for myself and I do.

Kerouac stood out as an exception but not enough of one to cleanse the reputation of the beats.

Also, Grisham entertains which is more than Pinter could say and a good explanation ofd why he was so much more successful without his works being required by the leftist professoriate.

Finally to cement my reputation as a hopeless philistine, wasn't Whitman a lavender queen????

779 posted on 12/01/2006 11:55:16 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Whitman was probably gay. Does that negate his standing as a poet? Baldwin was gay too btw and is one of those writers who croses political boundaries. Even people who disagree with his ideas think so. As opposed to say Richard Wright who was more of an literary political activist than a great writer.

And 'Waiting for Godot' is Beckett not Pinter. What the author 'meant' to say is irelevant. What matters is what's on the page and what could be derived from there. I don't care what Shakespeare 'meant'. I care about the text of Hamlet.
780 posted on 12/01/2006 12:14:11 PM PST by Borges
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