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Home Schools Run By Well-Meaning Amateurs
NEA ^ | By Dave Arnold

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by meandog

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To: ican'tbelieveit

Yes, it does have zip and zing.


661 posted on 11/29/2006 9:14:10 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: sitetest
Fr. Robert Henle, SJ, wrote and published through Loyola University Press (Chicago) a four volume (about 600 pages per volume) high school Latin set, called simply: Latin and a separate book of Latin Grammar in 1942 or so. These books were soooo good that they are STILL in print 54 years later from Loyola Univeristy Press in hardcover and softcover. Hardcover is worth the investment in permanent things. It was also common to supplement this excellent set with translation of Caesar's Gallic Wars in sophomore year, Cicero's Orations in junior year and the entire 360 page Virgil's Aeneid in senior year. Meanwhile Xenephon's Anabasis was translated beginning in sophomore Greek classes.

I believe you live in Maryland and possibly in the Archdiocese of Baltimore. If so, rigorously check the theology texts. Allan Keyes has had some serious dustups with Cardinal Keeler over toleration and even encouragement of lesbianism at a Loyola Girls' High School in Baltimore. You are local and probably better informed than I but, as Ronaldus Maximus used to say: Trust but verify!

God bless you and yours!

662 posted on 11/29/2006 9:14:31 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Tax-chick

a crucial distinction is that the factory union does not get to tax thee or me but the gummint misedjamakashunist union does. Also, no one will be outsourcing gummint misedjamakashun to Bangladesh, although Bangladeshi ten-year olds working for a nickel an hour are probably better informed and educated than our gummint misedjamakashunists.


663 posted on 11/29/2006 9:21:02 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Dear BlackElk,

Thanks for the heads up. He's using the Rosetta Stone software. It's good at teaching vocabulary. He's also figured out the verb conjugations. But I was thinking in the spring of getting him something to fill in with a little more of the basic grammar.

"I believe you live in Maryland and possibly in the Archdiocese of Baltimore."

The school is in the Archdiocese of Washington. It's grown progressively more Catholic since I was there.

Thanks!


sitetest


664 posted on 11/29/2006 9:26:40 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Tax-chick

Middle daughter is to graduate Hillsdale Academy in May because she needed more of a challenge than we can yet give her. It is a great school and covers grammar and high school. It is not Catholic but it is by no means hostile to Catholicism. Hillsdale Academy now has a DVD as well to introduce parents to its program.


665 posted on 11/29/2006 9:26:58 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
the factory union does not get to tax thee or me but the gummint misedjamakashunist union does

That is an important point.

I recall reading that online math and science tutoring (for Americans) is a growing industry in India.

666 posted on 11/29/2006 9:28:44 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: Tax-chick

Back to the Top, TC!


667 posted on 11/29/2006 10:01:17 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: LowOiL; meandog

I drag my kids into the bathroom, beat them up, and take their lunch money once a week.

Now, I will admit that my daughter is deprived; so far she has only had two cousins make rude comments about her chest, but since that does not take place on an ongoing basis, I suppose she is being deprived of an essential element of socialization. So, I guess I am a bad father for depriving my daughter in this way...


668 posted on 11/29/2006 10:13:03 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: Tax-chick; cinives; AnAmericanMother; sitetest; Oberon; BlackElk

Online education is growing rapidly. There is a big restructuring of education at all levels coming. Four-year colleges and universities are also vulnerable. The price tags are moving into the stratosphere, and much of what they do is done badly or shouldn't be done at all.


669 posted on 11/29/2006 10:21:09 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: LowOiL

I'd sure like for them to give a good definition of socialization.


670 posted on 11/29/2006 10:22:37 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Rudy 08...If ya can't beat em, join em.)
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To: Oberon

I heard that, over the racket produced by the thrilling game, "Putt-Putt Goes to the Moon."


671 posted on 11/29/2006 10:22:46 AM PST by Tax-chick ("That would be the camel's nose under the mouse.")
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To: DungeonMaster
I'd sure like for them to give a good definition of socialization.

Groupthink. Indoctrination. They want everyone to participate in the socially engineered zietgeist.

672 posted on 11/29/2006 10:24:54 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: BlackElk
Also, no one will be outsourcing gummint misedjamakashun to Bangladesh,

That reminds me of an article I read here on FR about a month ago. Indian tutoring services make a lot of money - online or phone based tutoring for school kids. So, New York has banned such tutoring services. Their stated reason is that they "can't run background checks on the tutors" - um, ok, background checks on someone thousands of miles away who is never near the kid? Huh? But further in the article it talked about how teachers often make big bucks tutoring on the side. Guess they don't want the competition.

673 posted on 11/29/2006 10:31:55 AM PST by JenB (46,531/50,000 - www.nanowrimo.org)
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So, New York has banned such tutoring services.

Ah, I'd missed that bit of news. What a surprise ...

674 posted on 11/29/2006 10:41:43 AM PST by Tax-chick ("That would be the camel's nose under the mouse.")
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To: Oberon
Groupthink. Indoctrination. They want everyone to participate in the socially engineered zietgeist.

That's probably true but I bet they word it a bit differently. "social skills". That one always cracks me up. The social skills kids in public school learn are profanity, sarcasm and verbal combat. Oh I suppose dressing cool is another important one.

Actually it reminds me of the horror stories I hear about prison life. You have to get into a gang or you are screwed, so to speak.

675 posted on 11/29/2006 10:56:30 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Rudy 08...If ya can't beat em, join em.)
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To: achilles2000
Very interesting. I agree that decoding is only part of the process, but as soon as a child can decode he can read to the extent of his spoken command of the language. In any event, without facility in decoding you never get to the next levels.

You've identified my disconnect between successful use of phonics to decode Welsh while not understanding what I'm reading. I'm still learning the language. I haven't started from the position of having a verbal command of the language. The same applies to kids raised in a Spanish speaking household. If they don't have a verbal command of English, the phonics skills don't necessarily translate to any kind of facility in reading. My father had a huge vocabulary. He used it and I learned a large vocabulary as a young child. If a child grows up in an environment where the parents have a restricted vocabulary, the limited facility with the language will also manifest itself in poor reading comprehension.

I joined a DeMolay chapter in 1973. Many of the members were already in college and had a great command of English. One of the advisors assigned from the lodge was a very nice guy who barely managed to graduate from high school. It showed in his vocabulary. We met one evening to plan a party. He thought we would enjoy some good food and socialism. The persons assembled had the learned social graces of not embarrassing a man who was volunteering his time to help, but it did draw a knowing smile.

676 posted on 11/29/2006 11:08:01 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: DungeonMaster
That's probably true but I bet they word it a bit differently. "social skills". That one always cracks me up. The social skills kids in public school learn are profanity, sarcasm and verbal combat. Oh I suppose dressing cool is another important one.

The adolescent instincts brought most fully into play in the public school social setting are the instinct to conform, and the instinct to enforce conformity. Want to torture your public-schooler? Make him wear a dorky hat to school.

Any non-conformity is siezed upon and seen as a weak spot, an entry point for ridicule. Take away the adults, and before long you've got Lord of the Flies. Heck, you sometimes get that with the adults present, depending on the adults.

However, this urge to conformity is not discouraged by the school system. In fact, one could argue that the architects of public education designed the environment to encourage it.

677 posted on 11/29/2006 11:28:38 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: achilles2000

I have a daughter with speech problems. She actually reads better than she can speak. Decoding helps her with the speech aspect and reading.

Her decoding is still low, and she is in an multi-sensory reading phonics based reading program this year to help her improve her decoding skills. She can memorize words easily, but without the decoding she won't be able to move to that next level.

Of course, the public school would not provide the reading program, and we switched her to a private school that would. We looked into homeschool, and hiring a tutor. However, tutors are very expensive ($50-$100/hr) and it seemed like a better bang for the buck to invest in the private school ($7500/yr). (

The training for the multi-sensory reading program is very intensive, and is very costly. That didn't make sense either since I would only be doing it for 1 child.



678 posted on 11/29/2006 12:05:20 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Oberon

My daughters' new public school did reach the "Lord of the Flies" levels last year.

Most of the time the kids ate outside (we live in California). The school does not even have an indoor cafeteria. Well, it does rain here, and the first rainy day was a total disaster.

They had the kids go into the gym, and sit on the ground and eat. The kids started going crazy. They were running around wild, screaming at the top of their lungs, and throwing food.

I didn't trust the school, so I went at lunch time. I wouldn't let my kids go into the gym. Thank God, my daughters' teacher saw what was going on and pulled her kids out of the gym and took her kids to her classroom. Most of the teachers didn't do that because they didn't want to give up their lunch break.

I could maybe let this slide once, but I would expect that it would never happen again. Well, this wildness in the gym happened many times before the school finally changed the policy.

I was at the school every single rainy day at lunch to make sure my girls did not go to the gym.

My daughters' teacher is no longer at that school, and neither are we.


679 posted on 11/29/2006 12:12:01 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: meandog
Sanctimonious prick.

1- The number of "good" & "qualified" teachers is disturbingly small.

2- Most public schools contribute absolutely nothing to "socialization", unless one defines socialization as the success of regimentation and indoctrination.

3- I did not read this on a web site, I dealt with the teaches, administrators and the system.

When we HS'd our daughter a number of good teachers were very supportive of us. And quite impressed with the results.

680 posted on 11/29/2006 12:20:18 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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