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Home Schools Run By Well-Meaning Amateurs
NEA ^ | By Dave Arnold

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by meandog

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To: meandog; 2Jedismom; homeschool mama
LOL. As opposed to the ill-meaning pro's in government indoctrination camps.

I think of my poor, disadvantaged HSed older two -- Matthew, with his top grades, well on his way to a medical career, Rachael with a BA, already teaching French and Spanish at HS level... poor things....

42 posted on 11/27/2006 7:23:50 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: shag377

"Do most homeschool parents have the necessary skills to teach some of the more difficult courses? What about languages, which are often required for entrance to college?"

Not all do, which is why they hire me, I teach advanced math. I know a couple of people who offer both Latin and French clases, as well as kids who take courses at the local community college.

However, most homeschooling parents are college educated themselves, and just teach the language they learned such as Spanish or French.


43 posted on 11/27/2006 7:23:54 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: meandog

David Arnold of the NEA !, now there's a guy who would take an objective viewpoint of home schooling !!!


44 posted on 11/27/2006 7:24:00 AM PST by Obie Wan
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To: ichabod1
I HAVE wondered why parents who homeschool don't automatically band together and specialize, each focusing on a different subject. It would seem that charter schools would naturally flow out of such an arrangement. I'm pretty sure it happens, but it seems like it would be a natural outcome.

My daughter belongs to a home school cooperative on the Florida space coast with her four and six y/o. There is such a sharing of skills. Lisa lacks a teaching credential but I sense from her 5 on the calculus AP that she might be a half decent math tutor.

45 posted on 11/27/2006 7:24:06 AM PST by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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To: meandog

My wife and I home schooled our 4 children with the following outcome:

2 graduated from George Mason

1 is a licensed contractor in a major U.S. city doing very well for himself. Drives a better car and has a bigger house than his old man

1 is a film maker

....me thinks we did ok.


46 posted on 11/27/2006 7:24:33 AM PST by Fighting Irish (My opinions have been forged by where I've walked - not by who I hear on the radio)
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To: meandog

Let's see, in the course of their schooling, my kids have had the teacher who said that the dark meat on chicken is dark because "it's closer to the bone". Then there's the ones that spend half the class time talking about their pets and whatnot, and the one who had 11th grade math students sewing fake moles because it's Mole Day. And let's not forget the many that think watching popular movies is an effective use of class time. Professionals my eye.


47 posted on 11/27/2006 7:24:41 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: jackieaxe
Based on SAT scores, the National Spelling Bee, and overall behavior, the "well intentioned amateurs" are by far doing a better job than the so-called "educated" professional teachers. Screw the public schools, that's what they do to their students and the people who pay for their big government social experiment. The worst thing I've seen in my life time is the total monopoly of governments schools and the death of parochial and private schools.

Somewhat flawed...the stats have been derived by homeschooling advocates who take a sample of homeschooled children against the whole of public school educated ones. A better sample would be to compare homeschooled kids against a subset of public school students who have parental involvement. And, when that comparison is made, the homeschooled kids place well-behind their competition.

48 posted on 11/27/2006 7:24:47 AM PST by meandog (These are the times that try men's souls!)
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To: meandog
There are few homeowners who can tackle every aspect of home repair. A few of us might know carpentry, plumbing and, let’s say, cementing.

cementing?

The author is an idiot!

49 posted on 11/27/2006 7:25:08 AM PST by Tinian
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To: meandog

"consequently, when we teachers get their children back they are unprepared and over challenged"

I guess that's why my nephews and nieces that were home schooled have all scored extremely well on the SAT and have ALL gotten scholarships and gone on to the universities of their choice.

I was originally against home schooling for them, but when I saw the curriculum I was truly impressed.

There are indeed some parents that don't have the time or discipline to do this, but some do, and do it very well.


50 posted on 11/27/2006 7:25:17 AM PST by EEDUDE
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To: meandog
Now that isn't a bad idea...however, it has been my experience that homeschooling parents have the hubris to believe they can really do it all and their arrogance wouldn't allow someone more qualified to touch their kids' brains--(consequently, when we teachers get their children back they are unprepared and over challenged).

Then why does every study show that homeschoolers do so much better on standardized tests (on average) than their peers in public school?

51 posted on 11/27/2006 7:25:38 AM PST by Our man in washington
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To: meandog

Homeschooling parents do not want to teach any children other than their own. They know their child far better than any teacher will ever know them. The homeschooling parent does not have to put up with the time-consuming task of disciplining children that are in the classroom only to cause trouble and call attention to themselves.
Incidentally, I assume this teacher is receiving a paycheck, so he is also in it "for the money."


52 posted on 11/27/2006 7:25:47 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: shag377

His kids can watch MIT open courseware for free. MIT offer full course lectures for algebra, cal, trig, physics, bio.


53 posted on 11/27/2006 7:26:03 AM PST by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: meandog

The next thing you know, all those professional head custodians out there will want to sire our children for us too. NO THANKS Dave, I'll do the shaping of my window washers, brick layers and space station builders.


54 posted on 11/27/2006 7:26:07 AM PST by Theophilus (Abortion = Child Sacrifice = Future Sacrifice)
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To: shag377

It's not just that they have the right to do so, it's that they see that public schools are dangerous, left-wing dominated institutions that teach things they do not believe and do not want their young skulls-full-of-mush to be taught. I'm sure your cousin will find a solution if he's that concerned about the environment his child is forced to endure.


55 posted on 11/27/2006 7:26:34 AM PST by ichabod1 (Democracy = Anarchy)
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To: meandog
however, it has been my experience that homeschooling parents have the hubris to believe they can really do it all and their arrogance wouldn't allow someone more qualified to touch their kids' brains--(consequently, when we teachers get their children back they are unprepared and over challenged).

Huh? Statistically (being a teacher, I assume you understand that statistical results are more important in assessing policy than your personal experiences), homeschooled students score 20 points higher on standardized tests. Statistically, if they join a regular school after being homeschooled, they must wait a year for the rest of the students to catch up...a whole year before they are challenged.
56 posted on 11/27/2006 7:27:51 AM PST by newguy357
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To: TonyRo76
LOL, well yes.

57 posted on 11/27/2006 7:28:01 AM PST by bd476
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To: meandog; ichabod1
Of course there are homeschool co-ops that address this problem.

I was in contact with 3 or 4 of them in our area when we were thinking about continuing my son's homeschooling into the high school years.

I never saw the "hubris" you mention - I never met a parent who was reluctant to have an expert in the more difficult subjects. In fact, you would be amazed at the qualifications of some of the folks in these co-ops. Just one example -- a retired Army Colonel of Engineers with a doctorate in electrical engineering was teaching the kids calculus, along with the principles of navigation and applying math to "real world" problems like moving dirt and building amplifiers . . . and the kids were having a ball!

What he wasn't doing was trying to influence the kids politically or socially . . . which is what many homeschool parents are trying to avoid. It's not just the lack of competence that annoys parents, it's the ideological subtext that's injected into so many classrooms. To paraphrase, "shut up and teach!"

And it may be hubristic of me, but I would put my academic qualifications up against those of any public high school teacher. I'm not qualified to teach math or science at the high school level, but I could teach English, English lit. or history at college level, and if I had a chance to brush up I could teach up to intermediate level German or beginning Latin.

58 posted on 11/27/2006 7:28:06 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: ichabod1; meandog
Oh, so you agree with the assessment of the writer.

yes--the "wannabe" writer with good intentions who heads up the custodial department... isn't that a crack-up?

59 posted on 11/27/2006 7:28:17 AM PST by latina4dubya
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To: meandog
Now that isn't a bad idea...however, it has been my experience that homeschooling parents have the hubris to believe they can really do it all and their arrogance wouldn't allow someone more qualified to touch their kids' brains--(consequently, when we teachers get their children back they are unprepared and over challenged).

And, for those out there who don't understand the meaning of "hubris", the above quote is a fine example.

60 posted on 11/27/2006 7:28:25 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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