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Home Schools Run By Well-Meaning Amateurs
NEA ^ | By Dave Arnold

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by meandog

Schools With Good Teachers Are Best-Suited to Shape Young Minds

There's nothing like having the right person with the right experience, skills and tools to accomplish a specific task. Certain jobs are best left to the pros, such as, formal education.

There are few homeowners who can tackle every aspect of home repair. A few of us might know carpentry, plumbing and, let’s say, cementing. Others may know about electrical work, tiling and roofing. But hardly anyone can do it all.

Same goes for cars. Not many people have the skills and knowledge to perform all repairs on the family car. Even if they do, they probably don’t own the proper tools. Heck, some people have their hands full just knowing how to drive.

So, why would some parents assume they know enough about every academic subject to home-school their children? You would think that they might leave this -- the shaping of their children’s minds, careers, and futures -- to trained professionals. That is, to those who have worked steadily at their profession for 10, 20, 30 years! Teachers!

Experienced Pros

There’s nothing like having the right person with the right experience, skills and tools to accomplish a specific task. Whether it is window-washing, bricklaying or designing a space station. Certain jobs are best left to the pros. Formal education is one of those jobs.

Of course there are circumstances that might make it necessary for parents to teach their children at home. For example, if the child is severely handicapped and cannot be transported safely to a school, or is bedridden with a serious disease, or lives in such a remote area that attending a public school is near impossible.

Well-Meaning Amateurs

The number of parents who could easily send their children to public school but opt for home-schooling instead is on the increase. Several organizations have popped up on the Web to serve these wannabe teachers. These organizations are even running ads on prime time television. After viewing one advertisement, I searched a home school Web site. This site contains some statements that REALLY irritate me!

“It’s not as difficult as it looks.”

The “it” is meant to be “teaching.” Let’s face it, teaching children is difficult even for experienced professionals. Wannabes have no idea.

“What about socialization? Forget about it!”

Forget about interacting with others? Are they nuts? Socialization is an important component of getting along in life. You cannot teach it. Children should have the opportunity to interact with others their own age. Without allowing their children to mingle, trade ideas and thoughts with others, these parents are creating social misfits.

If this Web site encouraged home-schooled children to join after-school clubs at the local school, or participate in sports or other community activities, then I might feel different. Maine state laws, for example, require local school districts to allow home-schooled students to participate in their athletic programs. For this Web site to declare, “forget about it,” is bad advice.

When I worked for Wal-Mart more than 20 years ago, Sam Walton once told me: “I can teach Wal-Mart associates how to use a computer, calculator, and how to operate like retailers. But I can’t teach them how to be a teammate when they have never been part of any team.”

“Visit our online bookstore.”

Buying a history, science or math book does not mean an adult can automatically instruct others about the book’s content.

Gullible Parents

Another Web site asks for donations and posts newspaper articles pertaining to problems occurring in public schools.

It’s obvious to me that these organizations are in it for the money. They are involved in the education of children mostly in the hope of profiting at the hands of well-meaning but gullible parents.

This includes parents who home-school their children for reasons that may be linked to religious convictions. One Web site that I visited stated that the best way to combat our nation’s “ungodly” public schools was to remove students from them and teach them at home or at a Christian school.

I’m certainly not opposed to religious schools, or to anyone standing up for what they believe in. I admire anyone who has the strength to stand up against the majority. But in this case, pulling children out of a school is not the best way to fight the laws that govern our education system. No battle has ever been won by retreating!

No Training

Don’t most parents have a tough enough job teaching their children social, disciplinary and behavioral skills? They would be wise to help their children and themselves by leaving the responsibility of teaching math, science, art, writing, history, geography and other subjects to those who are knowledgeable, trained and motivated to do the best job possible.

(Dave Arnold, a member of the Illinois Education Association, is head custodian at Brownstown Elementary School in Southern Illinois.)


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To: Oberon

He shouldn't brag too much on his "professional teachers"; the school he works at has only 79% of students at math grade level and 75% of students at English grade level. And as a rural Indiana school, they can't fall back on race issues or urban poverty/neglect for an excuse.


281 posted on 11/27/2006 9:38:57 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: BenLurkin
"You would think that they might leave this -- the shaping of their children’s minds, careers, and futures -- to trained professionals indoctrinators."

There now, fixed it.

Seems the NEA got their panties in a wad since homeschoolers are outperforming public education students in all areas for the last twenty+ years. Some community colleges see the handwriting on the wall and admit students as young as 15 on a part-time basis. They simultaneously earn their diplomas and earn enough credits to pipeline to University.

That doesn't sit well with the NEA, they hate the colleges and the state legislators who made these "alternative education" options legal and possible--not only for homeschoolers, but the students that public education failed.

282 posted on 11/27/2006 9:39:02 AM PST by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: ichabod1

"Maybe Custodian means something different than it did when we were in school?"

In all too many ways, the Principal IS a custodian. The students are in what used to be called 'custodial care'. That translates to "We'll keep 'em here for 12 years and draw our salaries regardless of what our students learn or don't learn."


283 posted on 11/27/2006 9:39:29 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: meandog
Many homeschooling parents are doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, nurses, etc., who do appreciate the value of their college educations, and at an appropriate time, are more than happy to send their children to university. That's AFTER their children have had a chance to mature and grow up free from the influences of the liberal NEA, and all the assorted troublemakers in high school.

My latest homeschooler is going to the University of Texas - not exactly a bastion of conservatism. I don't have to worry about her being converted by some liberal professor. She's strong and knows what she beleives in, and can articulate it very well.

284 posted on 11/27/2006 9:40:25 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: meandog
Everyone knows that teachers are evil and are just soldiers in Satan's army to control the minds and souls of our children.
285 posted on 11/27/2006 9:41:17 AM PST by FFIGHTER (Character Matters!)
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To: BlackElk; meandog; sittnick; ninenot; AnAmericanMother; ArrogantBustard; bornacatholic
It is sooooo embarrassing when this elk makes mistakes while in smartass mode but candor requires that I admit error and revise #217:

D= square root of [(30)(30) + (40)(40)] times 2=

square root of [900 + 1600] times 2=

square root of [2500] times 2=

50 times 2=100

286 posted on 11/27/2006 9:41:28 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: AnAmericanMother

:)


287 posted on 11/27/2006 9:42:06 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: WOSG
"The homeschooling movement intends to DESTROY the educational establishment. "

It is doing just that! Public and private schools have a lot to offer but a lot of parents are bypassing these advantages in trying to shelter their kids from real world experiences. My contention is, that if parents have schooled their kids correctly in moral values, they won't have to worry so much about the influences of drugs, sex and rock n' roll.
Gifted and talented kids, indeed, do well in homeschooled learning environments BUT not all kids are G&T and parents are perhaps the worst judge of assessing that fact due to inherent bias. Kids that are not G&T do much better in homogeneous groupings: Private or public school classrooms.

289 posted on 11/27/2006 9:43:41 AM PST by meandog (These are the times that try men's souls!)
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To: meandog
By college age, kids who have a good classical education and have been taught to use the laws of logic and reason and to think for themselves are armed and armoured against liberal groupthink.

And of course a much wider range of choices is available at the college level. The public colleges in our state range from screamingly liberal to rock-ribbed traditional, and just about every shade in between. Then, of course, there are the private schools, and scholarships.

290 posted on 11/27/2006 9:43:45 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: meandog
I recall there was a time when our government was run by well meaning amateurs.
291 posted on 11/27/2006 9:44:01 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The way that you wander is the way that you choose. The day that you tarry is the day that you lose.)
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To: Marie; shag377

" I sucked at math. I spent a LOT of time looking for a good curriculum that could help me overcome my handicap. I found Saxon. Every night I'd read the next day's lesson and learn it for myself. By year 4, my daughter was frustrated with my slow pace and started learning the lessons on her own. My son followed suit shortly after.

You must ask yourself, why do so many public-school-educated people have difficulty with math? Does it make sense to send our children to the same institution that failed us?"

Saxon is to Math as Phonics is to Reading.

We schools, in their hubris, went for other ways of teaching math that ended up disserving children. But because of our monopoly school system, the educrats have agendas that put children in the back seat. Education theorist with PhDs need the 'new' and 'different' to get govt grants and studies, and so the tried-and-true is tossed for 'new' and 'innovative'. This has happened since the 1950s (remember 'new math' fad in the 1970s?)

Most of these detours have been horrible.

For reading, look to Cali's experiment in 'whole reading' . A parent could figure it out in weeks what the failure was, but it went on for 2 decades, a failure that left millions of kids less literate, some hobbled for life.

For math, the myth that 'rote learning' is bad (actually it is just less interesting for teachers), has led to a failure to engage in re-inforcement-based math learning and its replacement in too many public schools by less effective alternatives. Math is like music, to learn is not difficult mentally, it just take practice in step-by-step increments.
It's not a matter of 'rote', its a matter of exercising the mind with conceptual thinking through math exercises and being rigorous in applying concepts to actual problems, avoiding 'fuzzy thinking'.

Saxon Math is based on that sound pedagogical principle, and has proven itself. Private schools and homeschoolers have flocked to it - because it works... but d oyou know of public schools that are doing the same? Why not?

It may well be that this intelligent but math-hobbled lawyer is a victim of math miseducation, and so leaving his son to he Public Schools because of that is ironic indeed.


292 posted on 11/27/2006 9:44:45 AM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: meandog

What does it take to get a public school teacher fired?
Someone posted a link here a few weeks ago that contained a flow-chart describing all the steps. Damn near impossible to fire a teacher.


293 posted on 11/27/2006 9:44:58 AM PST by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: Texas_shutterbug
That's AFTER their children have had a chance to mature and grow up free from the influences of the liberal NEA, and all the assorted troublemakers in high school. My latest homeschooler is going to the University of Texas - not exactly a bastion of conservatism. I don't have to worry about her being converted by some liberal professor. She's strong and knows what she beleives in, and can articulate it very well

Well, I do not see much difference between a 17-year-old high school senior and an 18-year-old college freshman. And, I think you'll have to admit, that high school campuses do not have the amount of alcohol and drugs that college campuses, ripe with fraternities and sororities, have.

294 posted on 11/27/2006 9:48:01 AM PST by meandog (These are the times that try men's souls!)
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To: caseinpoint

On the flip side, I changed schools in 10th grade and was blessed with a WONDERFUL History teacher who had a real passion for it. We rarely used our books. She lectured and made it very interesting. She expected a lot, and most of the students did well in her class. THere was NO goofing off in her class! She was voted favorite teacher by our senior class.


295 posted on 11/27/2006 9:50:05 AM PST by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: Texas_shutterbug
I have an unfair advantage. I've actually read the trial summaries (partial transcripts) of Rex v. Preston and Rex v. Wemms et al..

Amazing testimony from the eyewitnesses . . . and John Adams was a masterly advocate.

296 posted on 11/27/2006 9:51:22 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Muzzle_em
What does it take to get a public school teacher fired? Someone posted a link here a few weeks ago that contained a flow-chart describing all the steps. Damn near impossible to fire a teacher.

I can only speak from my state's perspective...A teacher has a three-year probationary period in which he/she can be fired for cause if parents go to the school administration with enough complaints. After three years the teacher is tenured and harder to fire...it takes documented instances of incompetence, abuse, etc.

297 posted on 11/27/2006 9:52:35 AM PST by meandog (These are the times that try men's souls!)
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To: Texas_shutterbug; meandog

"And when you're a teacher, prepare to be FReeper flamed...teachers here are treated worse than Democrats!"

"Not by everyone here. We've utlized public, private and homeschooling - all successfully, I might add."

Dittos on this.

Meandog, this is not about disrespecting teachers - many of whom do wonderful work and are underpaid and overworked - as much as opposing a monopolistic, liberal-biased system that is often toxic to kids. Even our wonderful local public schools are purveyors of politically correct liberal clap-trap and are under-performing given what they have. We pay $7,000 or more per year per head for that. About 50% of the money ends up in the teacher's pocket btw; too much ends up in layers of administration, fantastic and over-engineers campus buildings, and sports stadiums (texas, ya know). The problem isnt the teachers, its everything *else* about the educational system.

Meandog, imitation is flattery so consider homeschooling as a reflection of the importance some parents hold to the discpline of teaching!


298 posted on 11/27/2006 9:52:56 AM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: WOSG
It's craigs list for crying out loud. ;)

Here is the text I thought was interesting along with the title:

To the women who work in my office... I hate you

Girl with the bright blonde weave who works in reception- I don’t know how you got your job, you are so uneducated it makes me sick. Did you graduate grammar school? I think I would respect you more if the answer to that is no. I want to throw a rock at your face every time I walk by when you are answering the phone and you say something like “who you callin’ for?” or “he in a meetin’ right now” or my personal favorite, “who this is?” I bet the people on the other end of the phone want to throw a rock at your face too. I also can’t stand when I get message notes from you that are written like so: Mr. Smith called hes wanting to kno wen he shuld ecspect the letter of aprovle. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? It amazes me that the only two things in your job description are answering phones and taking phone messages and you can’t do either of those things!"
299 posted on 11/27/2006 9:53:53 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: meandog

What BS.

He assumes that any flunky with an education degree has any idea how to teach someone something.


300 posted on 11/27/2006 9:54:41 AM PST by HIDEK6
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