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Maliki fires 3,000 gov't employees for militia ties
Multi-National Force Iraq ^
| Tuesday, 21 November 2006
| mnf-iraq
Posted on 11/26/2006 7:41:43 PM PST by Bob Hyneman
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To: TexKat
AH! Thanks, it was late last night and I wasn't thinking real clear...two of my three neurons has shut down.
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posted on
11/27/2006 6:41:54 AM PST
by
Valin
(Rick Santorum 08)
To: MaineVoter2002
" Thanks! I guess instead of wasting my brain cells I'll just go here and look for replies I agree with and repost them here in this thread." That'll put you on the fast track to upper management.
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posted on
11/27/2006 6:43:49 AM PST
by
elfman2
(An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
To: Marine_Uncle
Add me to your list please.
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posted on
11/27/2006 6:46:31 AM PST
by
elfman2
(An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
To: Valin
two of my three neurons has shut down.:)! Hey I'm on my last one and a half myself. Have a great day Valin.
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posted on
11/27/2006 6:50:33 AM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: Bob Hyneman
Wait for it - the liberals will claim the firing of the 3,000 militia members was a mistake that will fuel terrorism by leaving these people without jobs and no choice but to become terrorists.
To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
These people are only good for brutal dictatorial rule. They need a strong central government, not necessarily a dictator.
It takes time to educate the voter to recognize the need for this strength. In a way, they voted to elect a strong party when they elected Malaki, but this had some undesirable effects on the Sunnis.
Malaki has not been there for very long. We need to give him some time to assert the government's powers. We are far too impatient to do nation building in the Middle East. Far too impatient.....
The legislature needs to get involved and give the government all it needs to reign in the sectarian violence.
This is a Iraqi problem, and of all the various Muslim States, Iraq has the best chance of accomplishing a democratic system to manage all the tribal interests that complicate their culture.
I cannot imagine this process taking less than ten years to gain a foothold, and no, we don't need to be there with current numbers.
They are going to settle their animosities, regardless of what pressures we put upon them. We need to allow this process to finish in it's natural time and allow certain events to occur which will change the Iraqi mindset in time.
I think Americans need to take it all in, but don't lose sight of the goal. It will take longer then we had hoped, and there is good reason to be hopeful for the future.
There is no reason to pull out, but we do need to change our tactics to reflect the realities.
Pulling out now would be a total failure and result in the creation of a most dangerous situation that will quickly draw us back in....But, we need to reduce our levels of military combat assistance, and let the Iraqi's make their own mistakes by learning the hard way.
It is the only hope they have to survive in the longterm....
Let the civil war proceed, if that is really what they want, but I don't think it is. I think we are helping too much, and need to concentrate on training and government assistance to build a stronger central government system.
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posted on
11/27/2006 8:00:09 AM PST
by
Cold Heat
(We blew it..... So back to work we go........)
To: TexKat
"Just trying to be clear on whether or not it was the same 3,000 or an additional 3,000."
Good point. It is so damn easy to get hoodwinked by any news that comes out.
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posted on
11/27/2006 9:12:09 AM PST
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: freema
I believe I had pinged you on this earlier on. But thats ok.
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posted on
11/27/2006 9:13:06 AM PST
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: Vince Ferrer
Yea thats all they need is another dictator. Give these people a chance for the sake of humanity. They have only been a democracy for 2 years or 1 year.
How long before the USA was safe? How long for any country?
Give them time they have had a absolute dictator since the beginning of WW2.
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posted on
11/27/2006 9:19:47 AM PST
by
straps
(The problems with us republicans is, " We shoot our own wounded")
To: Marine_Uncle
Its very simple follow my thoughts:
1. He cannot say that over there for fear of his life!
2. He is doing his job as he sees fit to?
3. His country has been a dictatorship since 1937!
4. First he has to have a Police Dept that can keep him safe!
5. Then and only then can he say such things.
6. He is starting to travel abroad to have talks with his neighbors.
7. He needs to cut down on outside influiences.
8. Give hime some slack more people voted in Iraq then in the usa! so cut the guy some slack......
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posted on
11/27/2006 9:28:12 AM PST
by
straps
(The problems with us republicans is, " We shoot our own wounded")
To: elfman2
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posted on
11/27/2006 10:09:12 AM PST
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: Bob Hyneman
They should have been publicly executed for treason.
To: straps
Your list is fine with me. And for the most part I would agree and or have no major objection(s).
It is not only the PM that is at issue but so many political appointments, and otherwise that simply have demonstrated their inability to govern effectively within the constraints this country now is faced with.
I have made allowance in my comments over the past half year or so, to include the possibility that Maliki is not a push over, but may actually be a clever politician who simply seeks peacefull dialog verse force.
And obviously, the majority of the military is composed of Shia. With of course divisional strength coming from the Kurds in the northern provinces.
One can with most probable safety assert that even their military forces is fragmented in it's loyalies
Iraq has no underlining common denominator to unite the people other then the cry for peace and stability for all Iraqi.
Most common folk are powerless to do anything about the violance other then to hide, or leave the country or locate to areas that are quiet as a churchmouse.
One key problem is he represents a one sided government for the most part, not a unity government.
Obviously one must examine the whole scenario. Which includes so many gottchas. He has been beholden to the very people that allowed him to assume the PM position, of course being dominated by the SCIRI,IDP,UIA, and lesser Shiite parties.
Guys like Ahmed Chalabi from the INC, Iyad Allawi from the INL, and say the IAF's Adnan Al-Dulamini (largest Sunni block) have been pretty much sidelined.
That is to be expected in the mix we are dealing with and the realities of who wants to maintain key power bases.
Further. Regardless of who leads, the facts remain there are people like Hakim and Sadr who will always work in the background to get what they want and use the advantage/threat of their large and well organized militias.
Then we have the normal scenario of corrupt political institutions. The oil, interior, education and health ministries have so many thieves and sectarian oriented people running things it is a wonder Iraq has not fallen apart at this point.
In short. They obviously need time to stabilize in a number of ways. I just hope Maliki turns out to be a fair leader, where he can somehow unite the majority of Iraqi under one umbrella.
But as we observe, he is not viewed as a strong and determined leader such as say Allawi is.
If it where not for their method of voting, Allawi would have been given a second chance to bring down the insurgency and the sectarian violance as well as finding the best people to operate key ministry posts.
As for their trumatized state, I agree in full. Under Saddam and his predessors most Iraqi knew where they stood. If they where amongst the Baathist, then all was well. The Shia just went along with things since death was the most likely alternative.
The whole Iraqi (British spawned protectoriate) experiment has been at odds with real word realities for a long time.
Saddam stepped in with his band of henchmen and took advantage of what was inevitable. Now however, things are a bit sticky.
They do need time to add two and two together and then choose what paths they want to follow. The new experiment is in it's infancy.
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posted on
11/27/2006 10:47:41 AM PST
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: Marine_Uncle
They were probably all political opponents he was told to fire by Ahmadinejad
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posted on
11/27/2006 12:10:19 PM PST
by
raidertx
To: Bob Hyneman
Does this mean Mr. Al Sader is through with his activities?
To: raidertx
It could be as simple as what you say. But nothing is simple. One thing we should remember IMHO, is that the president of Iraq, Talabani a Kurd, is always sitting on the side line watching carefully as to what is done. He could if he deems it appropriate to request the Presidency Council to replace Malaki and or say his MD or MI if they continue to appear inept.
To many things that must be taken into account to settle on on e scenario. For all we know, the Iraqi president may be a driving force in any actions Maliki fails to show competence in.
I do think the current scenario of Sadr no longer backing Maliki, may be actually true. Should Hakim and his crowd also give Maliki the middle finger, then the equation changes considerably. Maliki like Sadr have been strong proponents of Shia role, but not Persian driven nor controlled.
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posted on
11/27/2006 12:38:39 PM PST
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: MojoWire
They gonna get the kinetic permanent Vulcan neck pinch.
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posted on
11/27/2006 12:44:45 PM PST
by
txhurl
To: VxH
"What is the function of government?" Your concern is no doubt appropriate, but a government can have no functions if it cannot survive its establishment.
Think of it as the kind of consolidation that occurred at the end of feudalism. Petty fiefdoms had to yield to larger entities, or be destroyed.
I see nothing wrong with ending the tyrannical rule of local gangs.
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posted on
11/27/2006 2:27:11 PM PST
by
NicknamedBob
(I propose a toast! "Here's to the Drive-By Media running out of gas!")
To: Marine_Uncle
Playing catchup....this is like trying to keep scroe in a fourteen-way tag team match.....
To: Bob Hyneman
Too bad our government can't fire people for supporting the enemy. 98% of the State Dept. and 3/4 of the U.S. Government as a whole would be hitting the bricks. If I'm going to dream, I might as well dream big.
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posted on
11/27/2006 4:45:06 PM PST
by
Excuse_My_Bellicosity
("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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