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To: mirkwood

They are being very careful to differentiate between "Radical Islam" and Islam itself.

They are wrong.

Islam is the problem. Just read the Koran to see this.


6 posted on 11/17/2006 6:29:56 PM PST by Enosh
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To: Enosh

"They are being very careful to differentiate between "Radical Islam" and Islam itself.

They are wrong.

Islam is the problem. Just read the Koran to see this."

I just had this discussion with my mom this morning and she thought that most are peaceful. I asked her why most of them are not stopping the least of them, and she had to admit...they are afraid. Nice religion.


9 posted on 11/17/2006 6:34:20 PM PST by mirkwood (Gun control isn't about guns. It's about control.)
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To: Enosh

If anyone sats to me "islam is a religion of peace'. I then ask if they have ever read the Koran. They always admit No!
I bought a copy of the Koran, and read it. I'm not going to attack the religion or sincere followers. But calls for Peace is not what I found, unless that is defined as a one-world Islamic brotherhood.


13 posted on 11/17/2006 6:55:10 PM PST by gb63
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To: Enosh
Islam [not just radical Islam] is the problem. Just read the Koran to see this.

Isn't the problem how the Koran is interpreted?

I know many Muslims who only follow the "five pillars" and say to heck with not only Sharia and Jihad, but even dietary laws; i.e. they drink beer and eat pork. Are they somehow not "real" Muslims, or less legitimate than Islamists?

If your answer is, "yes," then do you say the same thing about Jews, i.e. that only the ultra-orthodox who follow all the laws concerning diet, dress and behavior are "real" Jews and that the millions of reformed Jews and other less than ultra-orthodox are somehow not really (and religiously) Jewish?

Even among conservative and traditionalist Muslims there are many who, for instance, adopted a kind of "dispensationalist" (to translate to Christian terminology) interpretation of Sharia and other such matters related to religion and state. IOW they believe that the close association between religion and state that was instituted in Mohammad's time (and which Islamists treat as mandatory for the present and for all time) was in fact meant as an extengency for that time and place, and that religion and politics should be separate in the modern world. Even some dissident (but otherwise conservative) Iranian mullahs accept this interpretation.

Are these people not real Muslims?

In sum: Why the hell do you want to effectively, even eagerly, ENDORSE Islamists as holding the correct, sole and monolithic interpretation of Islam; especially when doing so can only assist our enemy in marshalling their forces, and dispirit or deligitimize their own internal foes?

Geez. We have to deal with our own deadly "fifth column" which our enemy actively promotes. Why assist the enemy in undermining the legitimacy (by denying even the reality) of their "fifth column"? We should be promoting (or at least quietly helping) anti-Islamist Muslims, not for God's sake helping our enemy in relegating them to the status of "unpersons".

32 posted on 11/19/2006 9:59:04 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Enosh

Does reading the Old Testament tell us the same about Jews and Christians?


52 posted on 11/22/2006 8:22:19 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Enosh
I think what it is is that Islam was kind of diluted for so many years and they are "peaceful" to a certain degree--almost like a moderate-Islam. But this new wave of Islam is a grassroots movement that I believe will spread and take Islam's majority back to it's original intent; spread by the sword.
56 posted on 11/24/2006 6:43:59 AM PST by CommieCutter
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