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To: scripter
Should pastors be distorting the message of Scripture and its doctrines?

Should pastors be associating with false teachers and endorsing them and their teachings?

Do those two issues not go to the heart of the primary role of a pastor, which is to feed and protect the sheep?

Why would Warren be involved in such things and are they sloppiness and/or purposeful?

Again, how does a Christian discern between those who are masquerading and those who are the real thing? What is the answer to this question (you haven't answered it several times)?

On my way to Church...Have a good Sunday.

520 posted on 11/26/2006 6:03:16 AM PST by pby
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To: pby
I don't want three different posts to respond to so I'm putting everything in one.

The statement of faith at Warren's church is biblically solid. Separating the statement of faith at Warren's Church from what Warren himself believes creates an incomplete picture of Warren himself. Others on FR have referred to the statement of faith as solid and have further stated Warren doesn't believe the statement of faith at his own church. I find the attitude of removing Warren from the solid statement of faith at his church disingenuous.

Reading one of Cho's books does not mean Warren endorses the book, neither does interviewing Cho nor preaching at Cho's church. Unless there's more to this, from what's been said an apparent endorsement was made of Cho's book but it really wasn't. Asking Cho to pray for American pastors doesn't endorse Cho's book either. Furthermore, Warren didn't ask Cho how American Pastors could be more open to miracles, he asked Do you think American churches should be more open to the prayer for miracles?

You mentioned sloppiness. One prime example of sloppiness is the first link provided to me (post 144) which blatantly misrepresented Warren's PDL book on the cross and sin.

A lot of what I've seen against Warren falls under the logical fallacy of special pleading or stacking the deck.

I purposely haven't answered some of your questions because, as I've previously said: we need to take this one point at a time. Painting straw men pictures of Warren is disingenuous. From all the misrepresentations of Warren, too many people have an incomplete picture of him (and I'm not saying he is perfect). Apparently we can't agree on some basic points from the very beginning and neither do we agree on what a primary theological issue is.

521 posted on 11/26/2006 7:40:15 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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