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To: pby
I don't want three different posts to respond to so I'm putting everything in one.

The statement of faith at Warren's church is biblically solid. Separating the statement of faith at Warren's Church from what Warren himself believes creates an incomplete picture of Warren himself. Others on FR have referred to the statement of faith as solid and have further stated Warren doesn't believe the statement of faith at his own church. I find the attitude of removing Warren from the solid statement of faith at his church disingenuous.

Reading one of Cho's books does not mean Warren endorses the book, neither does interviewing Cho nor preaching at Cho's church. Unless there's more to this, from what's been said an apparent endorsement was made of Cho's book but it really wasn't. Asking Cho to pray for American pastors doesn't endorse Cho's book either. Furthermore, Warren didn't ask Cho how American Pastors could be more open to miracles, he asked Do you think American churches should be more open to the prayer for miracles?

You mentioned sloppiness. One prime example of sloppiness is the first link provided to me (post 144) which blatantly misrepresented Warren's PDL book on the cross and sin.

A lot of what I've seen against Warren falls under the logical fallacy of special pleading or stacking the deck.

I purposely haven't answered some of your questions because, as I've previously said: we need to take this one point at a time. Painting straw men pictures of Warren is disingenuous. From all the misrepresentations of Warren, too many people have an incomplete picture of him (and I'm not saying he is perfect). Apparently we can't agree on some basic points from the very beginning and neither do we agree on what a primary theological issue is.

521 posted on 11/26/2006 7:40:15 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: scripter
Hey Scripter,

Warren didn't just read Cho's book...He read it and then told hundreds of thousands of pastors that he had read it via his pastors.com website.

But Warren didn't stop there...He had a recorded interview with Cho in which he asked Cho what Cho wanted to tell American Pastors and Warren asked Cho to advise American pastors and also to pray for them. By these actions, Warren implicitly endorses Cho.

After telling Cho that he had read Cho's book (The Fourth Dimension), Warren asked Cho if American pastors should be more open to praying for miracles. What does "miracles" mean here? What is the context? Cho's miracles are produced via visualization techniques (see description in The Fourth Dimension). Do you agree with Cho's "The Fourth Dimension" kind of miracle?

Why would a Christian "pastor" ever post an interview to hundreds of thousands of pastors (who are being mentored/trained by Warren), which includes the thoughts and advice of an occult practicing false teacher?

...Just "sloppiness" (like the "bad examples" (your description) from pp. 9-10 in the PDL) or done with purpose?

How do you reconcile Warren's above-stated (and documented via his website) actions with Scripture's commands to refute false teachers; mark false teachers; avoid false teachers; and etc. (Romans 16:17; Galatians 1:8-9; 1 Timothy 6:20-21)?

And...Saddleback's statement of faith has as much to do with the specifics that I have stated to you as Haggard's Church's statement of faith has to do with Haggard's recently revealed actions!

522 posted on 11/27/2006 1:32:37 PM PST by pby
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