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To: jude24
What is your former denomination?

Why is it your former denomination?

What specifically were those church structure practices we like to emphasize?

And where are you attending/serving on a regular basis, now, as a member?

"It is a model..."

No, it is not. It is a biblical reality.

Isaiah 53:5 - "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities, the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed."

2 Corinthians 5:21 - "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

I Peter 2:24 - "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed.

Many emergents decry substitutionary atonement as cosmic child abuse and a vile doctrine.

And you never answered the question...What are the legitimate concerns (as you stated) of the emergent folks?

It can't be that they don't use jargon because what they teach, and the language they use, is a hundred times more confusing!

I will leave the slamming of all things Catholic up to the reformers...They did a great job and many paid with a great price (many with their lives).

It is main stream emergent to incorporate unbiblical, mystical practices (contemplative prayer, yoga, centering prayer, breath prayer, labyrinth, spiritual guides, transcendental meditation, and etc.) Mysticism, and these practices, are decidedly anti-biblical. Christians experience, and gain knowledge of, God through His Word not through the experiences of true self via a divine center in some eastern religious practice.

All emergent churches define themselves as "missional". It's just the mission, with their message, that they are on that is the problem (a mission of rebellion).

156 posted on 11/16/2006 4:28:24 PM PST by pby
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To: pby
No, it is not. It is a biblical reality... [Isa. 53:5, 2Co. 5:21, 1Pe. 2:24]

Those citations prove a substitutionary atonement. They do not necessarily prove a penal atonement. That is a model - albeit a useful one.

Many emergents decry substitutionary atonement as cosmic child abuse and a vile doctrine.

I wouldn't know anything about that - nor have I claimed to.

It can't be that they don't use jargon because what they teach, and the language they use, is a hundred times more confusing!

Broad brush? The other problems I've seen are petty, narrow-minded bigotry and ignorance.

I will leave the slamming of all things Catholic up to the reformers...They did a great job and many paid with a great price (many with their lives).

I won't tolerate slamming Catholics in my presence.

All emergent churches define themselves as "missional". It's just the mission, with their message, that they are on that is the problem (a mission of rebellion).

More broad-brushed condemnations?

160 posted on 11/16/2006 4:39:18 PM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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