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To: pby
No, it is not. It is a biblical reality... [Isa. 53:5, 2Co. 5:21, 1Pe. 2:24]

Those citations prove a substitutionary atonement. They do not necessarily prove a penal atonement. That is a model - albeit a useful one.

Many emergents decry substitutionary atonement as cosmic child abuse and a vile doctrine.

I wouldn't know anything about that - nor have I claimed to.

It can't be that they don't use jargon because what they teach, and the language they use, is a hundred times more confusing!

Broad brush? The other problems I've seen are petty, narrow-minded bigotry and ignorance.

I will leave the slamming of all things Catholic up to the reformers...They did a great job and many paid with a great price (many with their lives).

I won't tolerate slamming Catholics in my presence.

All emergent churches define themselves as "missional". It's just the mission, with their message, that they are on that is the problem (a mission of rebellion).

More broad-brushed condemnations?

160 posted on 11/16/2006 4:39:18 PM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24

Are you going to answer the questions?


163 posted on 11/16/2006 4:48:42 PM PST by pby
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To: jude24
BTW, there was no inferred slamming of Catholic persons...just Catholic doctrine. However, the reformers certainly understood slamming...they were killed for addressing the doctrinal errors of the Catholic church and for standing on God's Word and Gospel.

And don't be so sensitive. Have you noticed what the Catholic Church has to say about those who do not sit under the authority of the Catholic Church? Talk about intolerant...Good grief!

Romans 4:25: "He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification."

So...what are the legitimate concerns of the emergents?

165 posted on 11/16/2006 5:02:09 PM PST by pby
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