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The Libertarian Effect
Real Clear Politics ^ | 11/13/06 | ROSS KAMINSKY

Posted on 11/14/2006 6:25:58 PM PST by Purple GOPer

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To: SUSSA
I agree with that. Many small "l" libertarians do. Unfortunately, the Libertarian Party official stance, many of its members, and most of its establishment, supports abortion on demand.

Wrong. They feel it isn't the FedGov's job to be ruling in either way on this as they don't have the Constitutional authority. It should be decided at the State level.

201 posted on 11/15/2006 5:18:42 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
"You've practically got the KosKids fawning over your party, hoping you'll win more for them in the future. They're counting on ya."

Hey if they are willing to follow through... The GOP sure didn't.
202 posted on 11/15/2006 5:20:41 AM PST by ndt
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To: Muleteam1
Libertarians' desire for an ungoverned society...

Not "ungoverned", "self" governed. You are an adult. Act like it and you won't need a Nanny State coddling you from cradle to grave. You and only you are 100% responsible for your actions and only you should suffer the conseqeunces of your mistakes.

Dems, and lately the GOP, are hell bent on making sure they protect you from yourself by removing choice, buffering you against your mistakes, and spreading the misery you create to as many around you as possible.

No thanks.

203 posted on 11/15/2006 5:21:21 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: uncbob
You just helped prove my point about being SNOBS

Notice: It isn't the LP trying to say "vote for us, or else!"

204 posted on 11/15/2006 5:22:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: GoLightly

My vote is very reliable. Act like a conservative Constitutionalist, and you have my vote. It's very easy calculus to understand.


205 posted on 11/15/2006 5:23:36 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

If there was an "alliance", I wasn't told. How the LP could make such an alliance with a Party so opposed to everything they stand for... It'd be like Jesus and Lucifer getting together and deciding on policy...


206 posted on 11/15/2006 5:25:12 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: photodawg
You can only count the people who showed up. We don't know how many of the 47% were even conscious on election day. That becomes conjecture. The facts are that the republicans needed 1.9 and 2.5 libertarians said no we will just masturbate for ourselves and let the islamist party have a chance. Hey maybe they'll even legalize pot.

The assumption that all those libertarian votes got taken away from the Republican candidate is conjecture too. Trying to argue that we can only talk about the 53% that showed up because 47% of the electorate might have been in a coma that day is desperate stupidity. Don't even try.

207 posted on 11/15/2006 5:27:21 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Dead Corpse

"Wrong. They feel it isn't the FedGov's job to be ruling in either way on this as they don't have the Constitutional authority. It should be decided at the State level."

How laughable.

If abortion is wrong, what difference does it make what "level" it is decided on?

If government should stay out of the decision -- then how can the state decide?

Childish irrationality is the hallmark of l/Libertarians.

No wonder you make such perfect Soros stooges.


208 posted on 11/15/2006 6:13:15 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: ndt

Of course no "real conservative" here would believe me but I don't even smoke pot. Now that I gave up cigarettes, two or three beers a week and a constant coffee IV drip are my last vices.

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I'll believe what you say until proven otherwise. If you don't do weed, that's great (imho). But you haven't stated where you moved to.


209 posted on 11/15/2006 6:15:23 AM PST by photodawg
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To: Sam Hill
If abortion is wrong, what difference does it make what "level" it is decided on?

Because we are a Constitutional Republic. You want abortion to be a Federal matter? Pass an amendment.

Such childish ignorance as you exhibit is curable, but only if you want to grow up.

210 posted on 11/15/2006 6:16:28 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: GoLightly
It's called picking my battles, something that seems to be unheard of for some around here.

I'm a Republican and vote like a conservative. I refuse to encourage any moves to the left by the GOP--if we don't hold them accountable, who will? But during this election, I was fortunate enough to have relatively conservative candidates for whom I could vote...unfortunately, though, they lost.

211 posted on 11/15/2006 6:17:56 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Dead Corpse

I realize it's like talking to stoned walls to try to reason with l/Libertarians, but even you should be able to recognize that a state government is still government.

If it is wrong for government to intervene in a decision about abortion, that would apply to both the state and the federal government.

It would apply even if our representatives passed an amendment to the Constitution.

But apparently you are too stupified to grasp such a fine point.

Your other posts on this thread are typical as well. You are are waste of everyone's time. But a perfect example of the problem with l/Liberertarians.

You want what you want (dope) and nothing else matters. Facts, logic, the survival of our country. To hell with them. You must get your dope.

Yeah, what "principals" you all have. (Though you are high-minded. LOL.)


212 posted on 11/15/2006 6:23:08 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
Ok... since you are such a towering scholar on the Constitution, since your logic is so impeccable as to stun the Gods, maybe you can point out the clause in the Constitution that allows the FedGov the power to regulate abortion or the medial care industry in general.

Yeah... I didn't think so. "All hat, no cattle" ain'tcha...

213 posted on 11/15/2006 6:40:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

You are a troll. You have no interest in a rational discussion.

Look at how you answered FreeReign's questions re what is wrong with the ACU's rating.

This has nothing to do with the Constitution. (Of which I am sure you are as ignorant as you are of the LP's actual positions.)

The libertarians (l and L) position on abortion is that government should never interfere.

That would include all sizes and types of government.

This is the third time this has been explained to you.

Go waste someone else's time.


214 posted on 11/15/2006 6:46:10 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Dead Corpse

"Wasn't that one of the reasons you listed for voting for the terrorist enabling Democrats -- or staying at home in Mom's basement and playing Dungeons and Dragons instead?"

I should have posted this to you.

Your "home page" says all. LOL!!!


215 posted on 11/15/2006 6:50:07 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
A newbie like you calling ME a troll? That's rich...

And I'm not suprised you have no clue re:the Constitution. Here's a link you should spend the next couple weeks studying. Particularly this page.

Then get back to me once you have a clue....

216 posted on 11/15/2006 6:52:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Sam Hill
Yeah... again you have problems with reading comprehension.

"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual." --Thomas Jefferson

Sentiments you apparently don't like much and feel a need to ridicule. Are you sure YOU aren't the "troll"?

217 posted on 11/15/2006 6:54:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I've been reading and posting here since 1996, when JimRob and one other guy (whose name escapes me) were the only ones who posted articles.

You know as much about me as you know about everything else.

LOL.


218 posted on 11/15/2006 6:55:10 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Purple GOPer

If fiscal conservatism is your core principle, why would you vote republican? They have been just as bad as democrats from that perspective. Why would republicans change if the voters do not hold them accountable? The only hope for fiscal conservatives is to vote against republicans in the hope that they will get the message and return to their fiscally conservative roots.


219 posted on 11/15/2006 6:57:12 AM PST by Soren
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To: Sam Hill

Yeah... sure you have.


220 posted on 11/15/2006 6:57:19 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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