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Rush Limbaugh Has It Wrong
Logic Times ^ | 11-9-2006 | Dan Hallagan

Posted on 11/09/2006 9:38:57 PM PST by Logic Times

Rush Limbaugh has it wrong. He stated Wednesday that "[c]onservatism did not lose, Republicanism lost last night. Republicanism, being a political party first, rather than an ideological movement, is what lost last night." (here) This statement – a statement echoed by Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and other conservative pundits to whom a nation of shell-shocked conservatives turned for cathartic analysis – fails a simple test. If the electorate was demanding conservatism, then why did strong, principled conservatives lose? Incumbent conservatives such as Rick Santorum, George Allen, J.D. Hayworth and Curt Weldon to name a few. Superb conservative newcomers such as Ken Blackwell and Michael Steele.

The actions of the electorate last Tuesday was an indiscriminate firing of Republicans, not a thoughtful weeding out of RINOs. It is true that Republicanism lost on Tuesday, but it lost in all its forms – and that included the exact form of strong, clear conservatism that the movement desperately needs.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservative; democrat; election; rush
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To: kuma

Anyone who refused to vote for Santorum because he bowed to what he perceived as political necessity and endorsed Specter is a jerk. Such a person should be ashamed of himself.


161 posted on 11/10/2006 12:06:41 AM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: kuma
The media has always shilled for the Clinton's and it's not going to change. CNN wasn't called The Clinton News Network for nothing. It was run by Rick Kaplan who only recntly departed MSNBC (after turning them even more left wing than they were in the past) and he is and has been a dedicated FOB(Friend of Bill Clinton)... it was Kaplan that groomed Hillary for her appearance on 60 minutes where she had the headbank in her hair and talked about baking cookies..

People need to realize we are up against pros.. . Rham Emanuel who masterminded the Dems win this year is a very tight Clintonista... This is all why we have to run someone wildly popular and charismatic or the GOP will be trampled in 2008, this isn't the year for National unknowns.

162 posted on 11/10/2006 12:10:30 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: MaineVoter2002

I agree... people can say what they will, but Newt is a brilliant politican..


163 posted on 11/10/2006 12:11:39 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Unfortunately I know a few who voted libertarian.

My "brother" is one although I'm even sure if he voted at all.

164 posted on 11/10/2006 12:12:30 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: kuma

Who do the most of the people like more? Rudy or Hillary?


165 posted on 11/10/2006 12:13:42 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: California Patriot
I don't know if you remember about a year ago we had a very long thread here where several people and one in particular said she would not vote for Sanatorium because he supported Specter over Toomey... and no amount of trying to talk common sense worked. This is what I fear for 2008 -- It's fine to be an ideologue -- in a primary.
166 posted on 11/10/2006 12:13:44 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: California Patriot
Anyone who refused to vote for Santorum because he bowed to what he perceived as political necessity and endorsed Specter is a jerk

That's exactly what happened. It's all I've been hearing from people in that state. Also, he decided to campaign with the message "my opponent is a hypocrite because he's more pro-life than I am" message.

167 posted on 11/10/2006 12:14:25 AM PST by MaineVoter2002 (Election 2006 - Democrat Win, Conservative Mandate)
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To: Echo Talon

I think Newt would excite the conservative base much more than Rudy.


168 posted on 11/10/2006 12:15:37 AM PST by MaineVoter2002 (Election 2006 - Democrat Win, Conservative Mandate)
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To: Echo Talon
That's not true at all, and no one has there been a word about it.

Why is it that people are looking for excuses?t

This guy got it right, BEFORE election day.

169 posted on 11/10/2006 12:19:19 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: paulat

Until today I seldom heard Rush mention Newt. In fact, he mentions Chris Matthews much more ofen.

I suppose now some of the guilt-filled blue blood republicans will now accuse Rush of being a DNC hack. LOL!


170 posted on 11/10/2006 12:21:24 AM PST by MaineVoter2002 (Election 2006 - Democrat Win, Conservative Mandate)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

So.. Republicans read that and stayed home... like i said.(Our
guys aren't very good at countering the propaganda)


171 posted on 11/10/2006 12:25:07 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: MaineVoter2002
I think Newt would excite the conservative base much more than Rudy.

yea... and all the moron independents would vote against him after the late night comics got done with him. (Whats a Newt?. Who the hell would name their kid Newt?) don't worry they have all sorts of um.

172 posted on 11/10/2006 12:27:36 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I totally agree. That's the sick irony of it, that the amnesty approach is more likely now.

At least here in San Diego, we still have Brian Bilbray and Duncan Hunter who are both strong on the issue. Jim Sensenbrenner was reelected comfortably. I didn't see these guys suffer for it, quite the opposite. And I still think most people want enforcement.

173 posted on 11/10/2006 12:31:04 AM PST by FreePoster
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To: Echo Talon

I think the late night comics would prefer to have Rudy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8


174 posted on 11/10/2006 12:32:40 AM PST by MaineVoter2002 (Election 2006 - Democrat Win, Conservative Mandate)
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To: Logic Times
Interesting. The betrayed conservatives made "perfect" the enemy of "good", and helped to lose the election. But they aren't the whole reason for the loss.

Republicans still haven't figured out how to deal with the MSM and its continual attacks and distortions.

That said: I still can not believe that they turned our country over to rats. Unfreakinbelivable.

I think vote fraud might have played a part in the losses too. I understand in FL?- they found a bunch of votes where every other part of the ballot was counted, but the machine did not count the vote for senator.

Someone on the radio was asking how it was that people in Arizona voted for all measures on the ballot against illegals, but, then voted out the authors of the initiatives. Could this explain it? There's also the JD Hayworth race- they found hundreds of thousands of ballots that hadn't been counted.

But, I wonder if Republicans would have the cajones to look into vote fraud? I'm not sure they would. There is nothing more important than protecting the voting process, I mean, if the voter machines can be rigged- the pubbies will NEVER be elected again. That's it for our country.

175 posted on 11/10/2006 12:32:47 AM PST by Pajamajan (Que sera, sera - Whatever will be, will be.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

This isn't the year to divide the Republican base either and I don't see them uniting around Rudy.


176 posted on 11/10/2006 12:34:56 AM PST by kuma (Mark Sanford '08 http://www.petitiononline.com/msan2008/petition.html)
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To: FreePoster

I agreem you sure wouldn't know it from listening to Fred and Mort or Geraldo and Dick Morris last night. These people need to get out in the real world and talk to the voters.


177 posted on 11/10/2006 12:36:17 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Pajamajan

The 250000 ballots in Arizona are absentee votes. We have a lot of senior citizens who travel a lot of the year and vote absentee. I have hope they will end up electing JD and passing the marriage ammendment. We have three large universities in this state with liberal centers, one is in the heart of JD's district and you know they are voting more and more thanks to Howard Dean.


178 posted on 11/10/2006 12:38:32 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Echo Talon

Dont get me wrong. I actually like Rudy and know he would be very very valuable somewhere within our federal government. Look how he cleaned up NYC.

I just fear he may have a problem with the conservative base.


179 posted on 11/10/2006 12:41:46 AM PST by MaineVoter2002 (Election 2006 - Democrat Win, Conservative Mandate)
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To: Logic Times
If the electorate was demanding conservatism, then why did strong, principled conservatives lose? Incumbent conservatives such as Rick Santorum, George Allen, J.D. Hayworth and Curt Weldon to name a few. Superb conservative newcomers such as Ken Blackwell and Michael Steele.

What this guy fails to realize is that liberal Republicans lost; the election, in my opinion, was a normal six year election.

If the Republicans had held on to the Congress, this guy would NOT have been writing "Americans reject Democrats in all forms".

Republicans lost the normal number of seats. Let's pretend the governing party had ACTED like its base wanted them to act. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Then I see a different picture emerging! They probably would not have lost so many seats!

180 posted on 11/10/2006 12:42:52 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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